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Old 02-02-2018, 12:02 PM   #1
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Should i get an 04?

So ive been reading that ideally you want a bus no older than 2004 due to emmisions being a pain. How much worse is it actually? a bunch of 2004 International CE are being retired from a local school district and im curious due to how close they are
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:07 PM   #2
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If they are in good shape and the price is right I wouldn't be opposed to purchasing one. There is a decent amount of support out there for EGR delete on the International engines. I'm not sure about the Cummins engines but I would imagine there is support out there. But like I said, the price needs to be right because you're going to need to perform some maintenance right off the bat.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:09 PM   #3
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I've been told by experts in the field that the issues were on later than 05 buses.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:44 PM   #4
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the cummins 5.9s have a lot of love due to them being used in pickup trucks.. International-wise the V-8s. hsve a lot of love for aftermarket parts because of them being in ford trucks.. though some of the ford parts are different from the navistar variants. I dont think the 7.3 ever had EGR, the EGR on the 6.0 (navistar VT-365) can be deleted or re-fitted like its ford counterpart.

im not sure if there are EGR delete kits for the DT-466's or not.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:53 PM   #5
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I should have specified, they all have t444e. The ones I like most were serviced and inspected within last 4 months.
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The T444E was discontinued halfway through 2003. Because of the way bus builders work with chassis manufacturers, it is common to buy a bus that is one year newer than its chassis. It is very possible to find a 2004 bus with a pre-EGR motor, because the motor was made along with the chassis in 2003. There are no EGR equipped T444E, they replaced it rather than bring it upto 2004 emissions requirements.


o1marc,whoever is telling you "after 2005" is someone you should consider not listening to any more. The emissions requirements that brought in EGR went into place in model year 2004. EGR failure cases didn't wait 2 years to become a thing. https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/hd.php#y2004

jjhwick, any t444e bus is going to be pre-emissions regardless of the year on the plaque. Also, the advice is no newer than 2003 with the noted exceptions.
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The T444E was discontinued halfway through 2003. Because of the way bus builders work with chassis manufacturers, it is common to buy a bus that is one year newer than its chassis. It is very possible to find a 2004 bus with a pre-EGR motor, because the motor was made along with the chassis in 2003. There are no EGR equipped T444E, they replaced it rather than bring it upto 2004 emissions requirements.


o1marc,whoever is telling you "after 2005" is someone you should consider not listening to any more. The emissions requirements that brought in EGR went into place in model year 2004. EGR failure cases didn't wait 2 years to become a thing. https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/hd.php#y2004

jjhwick, any t444e bus is going to be pre-emissions regardless of the year on the plaque. Also, the advice is no newer than 2003 with the noted exceptions.
Great to know! I'll change my date range to 03 in future, but if I understood that right I don't have to worry about these 04s because they have the t444e. Sweet.

Waiting to hear back about a little more info, and mentioned I'd like to come see them (they have 5 retired 1 week ago..good odds). Pretty sure they are all at545 route buses, which I'm fine with, but hoping there could be a 643 hiding in there
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also, whats the difference in a state inpection and a commercial inspection?
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For me it is normal vehicle state inspection at 15-35$ or a DOT inspection at 60$.
I can get a normal inspection buy law but all of those garages are scared to touch it and the garages that will touch it only do full DOT inspections.
My local garage is cool about it. They let me walk/crawl around with them and if they question something they say you need to look at replacing that or fix this and as long as I have what they pointed out done by the next years inspection there cool.
Haven't failed me yet but I don't want to take it to them this year because I know the date code on my tires will fail me.
The tires are starting to show a little but the date code says they have to be replaced.
so I am working on finding the rims to upgrade to what I want before before I buy new sneakers at 1800$.
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The reason why im asking is some of their buses have a commercial inspection, and some a state inspection. im wondering the differences,such as is one more strict than the other so i know that bus was more thoroughly looked over
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