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Old 09-09-2017, 07:57 AM   #1
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Spoke wheel conversion

Has anyone here converted front spoke wheels over to steel rims? Can it be done by finding the right hubs or is it easier to find a salvaged front axle already set up with correct hubs? 1995 international 3800

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Old 09-09-2017, 08:48 AM   #2
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I think they can be taken down to the axle spindle and the hubs swapped out. If you can find the right ones.. Is there any particular reason that has you wanting to swap?

I'm not sure about the rears, though. Probably easiest to get a full axle.

Here's a discussion about Dayton (spoke) vs Budd wheels. Might be of interest.

Wheel types: Dayton and Budd. Pros, cons and other info

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Old 09-09-2017, 08:57 AM   #3
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I have spoke wheels on my DEV bus and they give me Zero issues.. they are not split rims just spoke dayton wheels...

in my navistar service manual the spindles appear to be the same at least on the front as the ones with Budd or hib-pilot wheels.
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No problems here with the Daytons, either. I'm a driveway mechanic, so I actually prefer them.
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They're not giving me problems just not sure if anyone has had issues with shops refusing to work on spoke even if they aren't split rims.

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Old 09-09-2017, 07:08 PM   #6
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They're not giving me problems just not sure if anyone has had issues with shops refusing to work on spoke even if they aren't split rims.

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I havent had any issues.. they can see pretty quickly if they are split rims.. if a shop says theyve not heard of spoke rims i run.. because it means they would never get the rim on straight and true.. most all mobile services still service spoke rims.. lots of older trailers / dump trucks, etc still have spoke rims..
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I think they can be taken down to the axle spindle and the hubs swapped out. If you can find the right ones.. Is there any particular reason that has you wanting to swap?

I'm not sure about the rears, though. Probably easiest to get a full axle.

Here's a discussion about Dayton (spoke) vs Budd wheels. Might be of interest.

Wheel types: Dayton and Budd. Pros, cons and other info

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That article mentioned the torque for a "disk" wheels at 400 foot lbs. I just replaced my bias ply tires and split rims with tubeless radials and new disk wheels. The wheel tech torqued my wheels at 200 foot lbs.

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I was told 250 ft lbs for the hub pilot wheels on redbyrd
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I was told 250 ft lbs for the hub pilot wheels on redbyrd
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I think I will check my service manual. Maybe my shop just ball parked the value.

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Old 09-09-2017, 08:23 PM   #10
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My Chevrolet C60 manual states
190 to 210 foot lbs for cast spoke wheels and
"Disc" wheels except Budd 300 to 400 ft lbs
"Disc" (Budd -steel) 500 - 550 ft lbs
"Disc" (Budd Aluminum) 450 - 500 ft lbs

WOW my shop was under

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