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Old 01-13-2008, 12:11 PM   #11
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Re: tow bill

if you're gonna flat tow an automatic transmission bus, i would imagine you have to disconnect the rear drive shaft just like in a car/truck with an auto trans. anyone know if this is true? just curious.
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:18 PM   #12
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Re: tow bill

i remember along time ago we towed a 66 chevy van with a 2 speed auto and my buddy had the van in neutral with the driveshaft in after about 60 miles the motor in the van began to turn overwehthen pulled the driveshaft out but the damage had been done pull that driveshaft if you have a automagic!
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Old 01-13-2008, 05:07 PM   #13
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Re: tow bill

Without a rear pump your automatic is going to be toasted, even in neutral. The tranny fluid not only does hydraulic wonders in there, but is also serves to lube and cool the various bearings, clutches, etc. Without the pump turning there will be no fluid flow.

How are you tying into the brake system, Frank? I can see how a person could easily fill the tanks just through the drain if nothing else, but how do you actuate the brakes? Do you just always have another driver or what?
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Old 01-13-2008, 06:48 PM   #14
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Without a rear pump your automatic is going to be toasted, even in neutral. The tranny fluid not only does hydraulic wonders in there, but is also serves to lube and cool the various bearings, clutches, etc. Without the pump turning there will be no fluid flow.
I think on some transmissions the pump is driven off the output shaft. If that were the case it might be ok to flat tow a bus. Anyone know? Any Allison transmission experts out there? I think the most common trans is the AT545...

Back to the ruining your truck towing the bus... depending on where I was I'd tow my bus a short distance with my truck. If it was a long distance, I'd look into renting a truck, either the biggest pickup I could find or a moving truck. I'd do whatever possible to avoid a $1,500 tow bill.
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Re: tow bill

Boy...I haven't seen a transmission that had a pump driven by something other than the torque converter hub in a long long time. Actually, the last one I remember was an ancient Torque Flite with an actual rear pump. However, I am now expert, especially on the Allison transmissions.

How about this...someone out there that lives in hill country and has a bus that isn't snowed in should go try and push start their bus on the hill. If it's possible we will know the pump is driven by something other than the torque converter hub.
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Towing an air brake bus

To tow an air brake bus, air is required, most of the time but not all the time. Mostly I have towed an air brake bus with some vehicle that also has air brakes. Usually the rear bus is aired up thru the tank drains or any easy location. I use a 3/8inch shop hose and leave the in and out quick disconnects. I add a male disconnect where ever it is possible and easy. The hose is tied up and tied to the tow bar. Rarely does the rear bus driver need to operate the brake. Unless he gets surprised or scared. Towing is not a high speed event. Walkie talkies are required. No surprises.
Towing can also be accomplished with locking the parking brakes with a bolt to do that task. This towing must use a vehicle with enough braking weight and power for both buses. A rear bus driver is required for about any type towing that all wheels are down. Towing buses is not an everyday event in my life. I have refused to tow big high dollar bus conversions. I have road service for my Bus/RV, but I have never used my tow service. I have not yet been on a hook. My road service is mostly for any tire work needed. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Frank
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:46 AM   #17
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How about this...someone out there that lives in hill country and has a bus that isn't snowed in should go try and push start their bus on the hill. If it's possible we will know the pump is driven by something other than the torque converter hub.
completely off topic, but i had a 1977 mercedes diesel automatic that had instructions in the owner's manual on how to pull start the vehicle. Something like pull it for 2 miles @ 10 mph to heat up the fluid, then tow @ 18 mph and throw it into "L" (that's 1 if you have a US car) the problem i had is that being a diesel it mostly didn't want to start during the cold winter months, but the roads tended to be snow covered. Pull starting a several thousand pound car with a jeep wrangler on snow covered roads was a challenge....but i bet the neighbors enjoyed watching us drive around the block.
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