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Old 11-20-2015, 01:46 PM   #11
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Two things come to mind. Length restrictions and fuel economy, which you have any with that 366. In California, max length is 65'. Differs in other states.
I guess I never stated it above. I'm in Texas. Everything is bigger here, doncha' know?

The length here is 65' as well, which is pretty reasonable. I'll have to measure both, but the trailer is 28' from ball to bumper, and that leaves me with 37' to work with. I'm certain that this shorter 24 passenger bus will fit that easily.
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Old 11-20-2015, 02:39 PM   #12
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I had to drive an old uhaul truck with the gas 366 in between TN and NC/SC I swore I would never have anything with that engine in it
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Old 11-20-2015, 02:47 PM   #13
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I had to drive an old uhaul truck with the gas 366 in between TN and NC/SC I swore I would never have anything with that engine in it
How badly did you have it loaded? I've played with most of the bus engines, and I am particular to the Detroit 466, but I am specifically avoiding the diesel route. Aside from the occasional tow, it will be primarily used as a family get-together vehicle, with a portion of the rear seats removed for cargo room.

If I were to put together a skoolie, I first have to convince my wife about owning a bus ourselves, and not just driving and working on them. I think this is the route to go, before getting a newer full length bus with a Detroit.
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Old 11-20-2015, 07:06 PM   #14
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Here is some more info.

I went by, and was able to take another picture, but I was on the run. Attached is also the Craigslist link.





https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/5258206187.html

The bus is in alright shape, tires are pretty fair. 185,000 miles, somebody smashed out back door window, and the hoods grill is broken. Some of the running lights and such need to be re-attached, but nothing but easy stuff. Engine started up and ran nice and quiet, everything still stock from the school district. Not bad for a $2,500 bus, though I'm sure that I could bring that price down even more, as the salesman did not want that bus on his lot.
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Old 11-21-2015, 04:03 AM   #15
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You should be fine on the length. if you won't be driving it much, I guess a gasser is OK.
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Old 11-22-2015, 02:11 AM   #16
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Why are you specifically avoiding a diesel?

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Old 11-24-2015, 08:24 PM   #17
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Why are you specifically avoiding a diesel?

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Besides my wife and small children, I am by myself working on stuff now days. All my best friends and buddies are either moved out of town, or military, and stationed out of town. As much as I appreciate the perks of a diesel, when it comes to taking one apart and rebuilding, I find myself at a loss, especially on a POS Cummins.

I am especially avoiding the following diesels:
International: Never cared for them, pretty pathetic to me on power and economy.
Cummins: I am out lots of money due to poor quality, especially faulty heads.

I wouldn't mind a Caterpillar, but I would take a good Detroit if I could find it in the combination I want.

I also pondered the idea of taking a Military 5-ton and removing the bed & cab, and dropping on a Blue bird cab or something.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:57 PM   #18
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Id be careful.... people can get quite sensitive about engine mfq. here.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:27 PM   #19
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Besides my wife and small children, I am by myself working on stuff now days. All my best friends and buddies are either moved out of town, or military, and stationed out of town. As much as I appreciate the perks of a diesel, when it comes to taking one apart and rebuilding, I find myself at a loss, especially on a POS Cummins.

I am especially avoiding the following diesels:
International: Never cared for them, pretty pathetic to me on power and economy.
Cummins: I am out lots of money due to poor quality, especially faulty heads.

I wouldn't mind a Caterpillar, but I would take a good Detroit if I could find it in the combination I want.

I also pondered the idea of taking a Military 5-ton and removing the bed & cab, and dropping on a Blue bird cab or something.
My internationals have always been very powerful and economical.
From the 345 in the Scout Terra II that I drove a couple years at the end of high school, to the 466 in my bus, I've never found them to be wimpy or expensive to run. That scout was a stump puller compared to Broncos and Blazers. The 195hp unit in my bus gets darn near 10mpg as far as I can figure and pulled my 40' bus up and over Monteagle ok.
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:08 PM   #20
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Besides my wife and small children, I am by myself working on stuff now days. All my best friends and buddies are either moved out of town, or military, and stationed out of town. As much as I appreciate the perks of a diesel, when it comes to taking one apart and rebuilding, I find myself at a loss, especially on a POS Cummins.

I am especially avoiding the following diesels:
International: Never cared for them, pretty pathetic to me on power and economy.
Cummins: I am out lots of money due to poor quality, especially faulty heads.

I wouldn't mind a Caterpillar, but I would take a good Detroit if I could find it in the combination I want.

I also pondered the idea of taking a Military 5-ton and removing the bed & cab, and dropping on a Blue bird cab or something.
Dude, are you trying to be funny?

Every engine you listed as bad is at the top for dependability, performance, and cost efficiency.

A fully mechanical Cummins or International inline engine is simply the best their is. If a Cat or a old Detroit can do the job for $10, the Cummins and international will do it for $2.

The Cat or old Detroit will be in the shop 7 days out of every month, the Cummins and International won't see the shop unless needing a oil or filter change.

Many of the military 5 tons had 8.3 mechanical Cummins engines.


Now that we are passed that, what specifically happened to what engine, that convinced you that Cummins are bad?

I look at it this way. Our shop that maintains over 400 buses have removed any and all buses that are not Cummins or inline Internationals off their fleet. The lack of reliability, and cost of the Cat engine, and any gas engines was just not financially feasible.

You will also see this all over the web.

Back to your regular scheduled programming.

Take care, and good luck.

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