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04-28-2019, 05:37 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Hereford, PA
Posts: 39
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Where can I lookup International build specs?
I just saw a local 2007 international BE 20 that appears to be in very good condition. It's got 19.5" wheels, which I'm not thrilled about, but it's really clean. Owner says 6.0l engine and Allison trans, not super helpful, but I've got the model and serial number, so I assumed I could look it up somewhere--however I couldn't find anything. Does anyone have a resource to look it up?
Thanks, Brad
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Brad Ford
Apple Hill Farm
Hereford, PA
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04-28-2019, 05:46 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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What is a BE20? Google search showed nothing. We normally would try and talk you out of anything newer than an 04 due to emission gremlins.
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04-28-2019, 06:05 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Damascus, OR
Posts: 681
Year: 2004
Chassis: International
Engine: T444e w/ 2000 Allison Trans
Rated Cap: 35
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Do you have a sale link?
https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/IC_Bus_BE200
6.0l is not a very desirable engine according to many.
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04-28-2019, 06:08 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Damascus, OR
Posts: 681
Year: 2004
Chassis: International
Engine: T444e w/ 2000 Allison Trans
Rated Cap: 35
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_Bus
it breaks it down. just a lighter model of a CE series.
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04-28-2019, 06:16 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Hereford, PA
Posts: 39
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Yes, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ssenger_banner
Also, from tag:
Model: PB40500
Serial number: 426498
Manufactured: 06/09/06
Seating Cap: 29
I know, it's newer than I want, but it looks really nice. Includes extensive maintenance records, recent new fuel tank, newer heating system installed by International.
Seems like it's worth investigating.
Brad
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Brad Ford
Apple Hill Farm
Hereford, PA
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04-28-2019, 06:20 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Damascus, OR
Posts: 681
Year: 2004
Chassis: International
Engine: T444e w/ 2000 Allison Trans
Rated Cap: 35
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19.5 inch wheels might mean it has a flat floor to accommodate wheelchair passengers. not having to design and build around the wheel wells inside a bus is a positive for some.
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04-28-2019, 06:25 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Hereford, PA
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovobay
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Ah--Thank you. Lighter model--explains the tiny wheels, makes room for a flat floor. Not an engine I was considering, either--but shouldn't run into issues finding service on the road, right?
Any idea what the Allison 1000 PTS is? Haven't seen that before.
Brad
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Brad Ford
Apple Hill Farm
Hereford, PA
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04-28-2019, 06:54 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Be fair warned the 6.0 engine (especially the Ford version) had some very serious issues. The engine can be "bulletproofed" to address these issues (at no small cost), and more than one forum member bought one, suffered catastrophic engine overheating/failure on the way home, completely ruining the engine. At that point, it is said they cannot be rebuilt and a new engine is $25,000+
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04-28-2019, 07:42 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brdfrd
Yes, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ssenger_banner
Also, from tag:
Model: PB40500
Serial number: 426498
Manufactured: 06/09/06
Seating Cap: 29
I know, it's newer than I want, but it looks really nice. Includes extensive maintenance records, recent new fuel tank, newer heating system installed by International.
Seems like it's worth investigating.
Brad
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That bus is going to be rusty as hell. They're being careful not to show any pics of major rust (like, no underside pics at all) which in a PA bus means lots of major rust, and the rusty bolt heads on the seat legs next to the aisle are a giveaway as well.
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04-28-2019, 07:51 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Hereford, PA
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
That bus is going to be rusty as hell. They're being careful not to show any pics of major rust (like, no underside pics at all) which in a PA bus means lots of major rust, and the rusty bolt heads on the seat legs next to the aisle are a giveaway as well.
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Thanks--it's actually from NJ, same same. But I'm just sorting out if it's worth going to look at. Sounds not, from the details I've gathered so far. I appreciate the advice on rust, I know what to look for if I go look at it. I used to work on classic Rolls/Bentley/Jaguars, so I'm familiar with hidden surprises.
Thanks, Brad
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Brad Ford
Apple Hill Farm
Hereford, PA
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04-28-2019, 07:54 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brdfrd
Thanks--it's actually from NJ, same same. But I'm just sorting out if it's worth going to look at. Sounds not, from the details I've gathered so far. I appreciate the advice on rust, I know what to look for if I go look at it. I used to work on classic Rolls/Bentley/Jaguars, so I'm familiar with hidden surprises.
Thanks, Brad
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The rust under the existing floor will always be the worst rust on a bus. Unfortunately you can't see that during an inspection usually. So if there is other tell tale rust, likely the floor is toast and will need work to correct before you ever get started to build your dream. I would not look for any bus from New England. The travel expense to buy a better bus usually works out to be cheaper.
When ever I had cars to sell I always listed them in North East states CraigsList as rust free southern cars. I'd get twice would I could get down here for the car.
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