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lapeer20m 12-01-2006 06:21 AM

my junk yard truck
 
I intercepted this truck last spring on it's way to the scrap yard. It's a 90 chevy with a 350 and auto trans 3/4 ton heavy duty 4x4. It runs and drives, but has some extensive front end damage.

http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/13812-1/bm.jpg

she aint much to look at, but it takes the worry out of any trail damage.

I don't drive her on the road, but use it exclusevly for off road mayhem. I had the 38" super swampers laying around, and the arc welder turned up to 250 amps made easy work of enlarging the fenders. My homemade snorkel cost about 8 dollars. A tube of silicone keeps my plugs/wires,and distributor working even under water. In all, i found nearly all the pieces of the puzzle for free. Lately i've been taking her out wheelin' and have been overly impressed with the off-road ability of this vehicle. The Independent front suspension and tall tires equates to huge amounts of ground clearance. With the IFS, this truck can go places solid front axle dana 60 trucks need 44" tires to go. The rear GM 14 bolt? axle had limited slip, but now sports a lincoln locker (welded spider gears).


http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/13...6_3Anu0mrj.jpg

http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/13...8959nu0mrj.jpg

i did learn that an extra gallon or so of water inside the automatic transmission is less than desirable. Apparently the properties of water and ATF aren't exactly the same as the truck decided to make every position on the gear selector feel like neutral. Had to remove the trasmission pan, the inpection cover for the torque converter, drill a small hole in the converter, drain all of the very pink juice out, weld the hole closed and reassemble. So far she seems to be working ok. I assume the water came in through a vent tube?? Still haven't tracked that one down. I wish i had a manual trans, but for the price of the truck (nearly free) i guess i can't complain.

the_experience03 12-01-2006 02:17 PM

I'm just waiting for one of those tripod joints on the front to snap. I was a believer in IFS right up until I broke mine rather spectacularly. Now I wouldn't trade my solid axle for anything. :D

Which 14 bolt rear do you have? There exists a 9.5, 10.5, and 11.5. Now I'm reasonably certain it's not the 11.5 since that wasn't an option until the last generation trucks, but it could be either of the other 14 bolts. the 9.5 or "metric" is a semifloat rear end whereas the 10.5 is a full float rear end so a quick look at the hubs in the back should be all it takes to identify it. I just couldn't tell from the pictures.

What the HECK are you doing with all that frame in the back? Do yourself a favor and torch it off behind the leafspring mounts. I would on mine, but the front of my frame IS the front spring mount and the rear IS the rear shackle mount.

As for the vent on the transmission....I'm not sure what trans you have. It might be a 700R4, it might be a 4L60E, it might be a 4L80E.....it's pretty tough to tell from the pictures. On the plus side, the solution to keeping the water out of them is all the same. Slow down when you're in the water and make sure it's not as deep as the tranny :lol: In all honesty, I will try and find out for you where the vents are. You might want to check the ATF in the t-case and the gear lube in the axles next time you're under that thing. Water in your wheel bearings or differential bearings will REALLY wreck your day.

You might have wished you had gotten a manual tranny, but very few Chevy trucks got the NV4500. You probably would have ended up with a rather worthles Getrag tranny. Manuals aren't necessarily more resistant to water either....the water maybe have left you stranded but was an easy fix.....water and dirt between your clutch discs will leave you stranded and turn mighty expensive mighty fast.

Just to prove that solid axles do have some superior travel, check out the droop travel I have in these pictures of my truck on the lift. The rear is drooped about 12 inches while the front is at about 10 inches of droop. Both ends have about the same amount of uptravel.



Rear

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/437ec...wSJcFBj1fwkqrq

Front

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/437ec...wSJcFBZK4uQtyO

lapeer20m 01-04-2007 01:47 PM

well, i should be working on the bus, or perhaps hanging out with my hottie of a girlfriend, but instead I decided to start a new project. Well, to improve upon the current truck project.

I decided I like the IFS when it comes to ground clearance, and the 2500 hd chevy front end pieces are quite heavy duty. If having independant suspension on part of the truck is good, having IS on all wheels is better.....isn't it?

Four wheel drive, four wheel independant suspension, and four wheel steering. Those are the objectives. Taking the front ifs from another chevy and welding it onto the rear of the current project....

here's what we ended up with after 1 day of hard labor. The new front (rear?) end parts cost me $150 plus my totalled VW jetta

more to come.....

Before:

http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3902.JPG

During:

http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3906.JPG


http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3920.JPG

Decided to shorten her a bit

http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3926.JPG

The "new" rear end


http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3928.JPG

After:

http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3945.JPG

http://www.skoolie.net:16080/gallery...1/IMG_3954.JPG

We started in the morning, and worked until well after dark. We still have a ways to go, but it should be a lot of fun to play with when it's operational. The significantly shortened wheelbase and four wheel steering should make for a crazy turning radius.

Steve 01-04-2007 01:58 PM

Are you using the diff from the front of the other truck in the rear of this one now? Propelling your whole truck on just the two little diffs might cause a lot of wear and tear on them.

lapeer20m 01-04-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve
Are you using the diff from the front of the other truck in the rear of this one now? Propelling your whole truck on just the two little diffs might cause a lot of wear and tear on them.


It'll be curious to see how many trail miles i get out of the setup before meltdown occurrs. It's kind of a junk yard project, so i won't be out much money if it doesn't work out.


Compared to 1/2 ton IFS parts, these 3/4 ton heavy duty 8 lug pieces are much much larger, and the truck is now much lighter. .

the rear will have hydraulic steering that can be controlled by either the passenger or the driver. Should make for an interactive driving experience.

the_experience03 01-04-2007 02:50 PM

This looks to be an interesting project to say the least. :shock:

What do you plan to use the truck for? IFS has it's advantages and it's disadvantages. Walker Evans tried using an interesting IFS on hjis professional rock buggy a couple years ago, actually. From what I've read, the system did work on some counts. Of course there were a whole lot of bugs to work out and they couldn't afford the points so out came the torch and in came the Prorock 60's.

How are you going to connect a hydraulic ram to that stock steering? I think the combination of hydraulic force and those big tires on the centerlink is going to pretzels things in a big fat hurry. You could probably replace the centerlink with a doubled ended ram, but the chances of finding one that is the same length as the current centerlink are....well...not good.

How about the rear driveshaft? What's your plan there? The new driveshaft is going to be offset to one side (passenger). The rear output on the transfercase is not going to allow for the use of a front shaft (and its CV-joint) but you sure are going to want one with that compound angle. Maybe you'll be ok since the driveshaft isn't going to be moving. I'm really not sure, but it's something to look at.

You're going to be giving up a lot of wheel travel and articulation with the new set up, but it might just work. It certainly will be interesting to watch and the fact that it's a junkyard truck makes it that much better. So...what happened to that old 14 bolt rear?

lapeer20m 01-04-2007 04:05 PM

I plan to use the truck exclusevily off-road, i think that's obvious. No rock climbing here , mostly mud, sand,snow, and water.

the 14 bolt rear is going off to the scrap yard. It was the limited slip from eaton i believe....now it has a lincoln locker in it.

as for the hydraulic steering....most of the time i don't think there will be any more force applied to the steering components than there would be with a steering wheel. Perhaps i'll keep a spare tie-rod end on hand. Already broke one on the front. I'll add spacers to the cylinder so it cannot travel further than the steering allows. I have a hydraulic assist cylinder off from a big old dump truckIf that doesn't work, i'll go to plan B. .

There is a huge problem that needs to be overcome when putting a front axle on the rear of a truck....if you simply connected up the drive shaft the rear wheels would now turn backwards. On a solid axle you can simply flip the axle right to left to correct the issue....not real easy on an IFS setup.

I decided to mount the axle so the yoke is pointing toward the rear of the truck. I'm going to run a heavy chain and sprocket to a shaft held in place with pillow block bearings connected to the driveshaft.

I know a guy who uses rollerchain and sprockets instead of a transfer case in his mud drag trucks with built big block engines.

The chain and sprocket will also help with another critical problem. The gear ratio on the new and old differentials is not the same. the new one has 4.10:1 and the old is 3.73:1. That's a factor of 1.1. A 22 tooth sprocket on the driveshaft and a 20 tooth sprocket for the differential will be a perfect correction providing a 3.73:1 final drive for both front and rear differentials.

another small issue is the lack of torsion bars. I might correct that with air shocks, or junk yard coil springs, not sure.

phillbus914 01-04-2007 07:17 PM

Hey Jason I got a off road rig now too. My friend gave me his 94 GMC Jimmy. The power steering pump gernaded itself as driving and he didn't want to fix it to so he just gave it to me.

Here's a few shots of it from last summer, we rigged a snorkel up on it and took it up to Silver Lake.

http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/14062-2/100B1390.JPG
http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/14065-2/100_1452.JPG
http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/14071-2/100B1321.JPG
http://www.skoolie.net/gallery2/d/14074-2/100B1322.JPG

I just got it last week. I spent all last weekend putting the power steering pump on (that was fun) Now I got it at work & I'm getting the front brakes done as they were beyond shot, and trying to rig up some sort of cheap lift to get better ground clearance.

We should get together and go offroading sometime.

Here are some videos of it last summer taking on a few puddles up at Silver Lake. The screeching is from the shop vac hose snorkel.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =725122361
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =725137055
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =725885439

you may have to have a myspace account to view those... Here's a few that are on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYUUA0FMbA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqGUT0kcbNE

Elliot Naess 01-04-2007 08:03 PM

I do believe you guys are almost ready for Kinetic Sculpture Racing! :lol:
http://www.skoolie.net/attachments/p...b3393d1acc.jpg

the_experience03 01-04-2007 09:18 PM

Hey Phill...when you're ready, the high pinion Dana 30 out of a Jeep YJ is just about the perfect width and has the differential on the correct side for that truck. It even has crossover steering (albeit Jeep's bastardized inverted Y type). Being that a YJ is leaf spring, there won't even be a bunch of brackets to torch off. :wink:


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