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12-08-2011, 06:11 PM
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#21
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Mechanic incorrect...
12 volt system. Fired it up today, lots of smoke till warmup, been sitting over a month.
Is it normal to have a little smoke coming from the oil dipstck well after warm up? Less than a cigarette at rest.?
Spent hrs figuring how to licence, insure, and drive w/o CDL. legally Insurance says it is still a commercial vehicle. They insure by weight.
DMV says State cops have to inspect to change to RV (after meeting criteria).
Transit permits for WA $5
Trip permits are $27
Of course I live 15 miles from anything...
Anyway, preliminary floor plan... still want to add bunks/storage somewhere...
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12-12-2011, 10:12 AM
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#22
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
[quote="thommassey"] Fired it up today, lots of smoke till warmup, been sitting over a month.
Is it normal to have a little smoke (Less than a cigarette at rest)
coming from the oil dipstck well after warm up?
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12-12-2011, 04:51 PM
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#23
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ellijay ga
Posts: 560
Year: 94
Coachwork: b/b
Chassis: tc2000
Engine: 5.9
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: "Rufus"
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12-12-2011, 08:57 PM
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#24
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Quote:
Originally Posted by keith
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I agree Keith, thx!
Class dismissed!
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12-13-2011, 08:53 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oregon/Philippines
Posts: 1,660
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Re: "Rufus"
Normal for average 3208 to smoke upon start up. After all, they aren't new engines. Second, it is not good to start it up and then shut if off with the oil in the pan cold. This information is on the Cat website. On my 3208. if i am going to start it after doing some work on it, and am not going to drive the bus, i always let it run for half an hour to warm it up. I have found that it will not smoke neary as much if it has been properly warmed up the last time i ran the engine. I also make sure that I let it run at idle for about three minutes before shut down.
If you have a ton of smoke coming from dip stick tube that might indicate worn rings...
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12-13-2011, 12:41 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central Tennessee
Posts: 1,093
Year: 1973
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: CAT 1160 V-8 Diesel
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: "Rufus"
Chev49, I wish I had remembered to let my motor idle for a few minutes before I shut it off on my last road trip. I think, because I did not do that, It did not want to start up again.
I wrote about that on my thread. I will remember to do that next time.
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12-13-2011, 05:53 PM
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#27
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Quote:
Originally Posted by chev49
Normal for average 3208 to smoke upon start up. After all, they aren't new engines. Second, it is not good to start it up and then shut if off with the oil in the pan cold. This information is on the Cat website. On my 3208. if i am going to start it after doing some work on it, and am not going to drive the bus, i always let it run for half an hour to warm it up. I have found that it will not smoke neary as much if it has been properly warmed up the last time i ran the engine. I also make sure that I let it run at idle for about three minutes before shut down.
If you have a ton of smoke coming from dip stick tube that might indicate worn rings...
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I ran it for about 25 min, did not move it, then shut it down. I was verifying battery condition.
It smokes alot when it first started after sitting for a month...
After warm up, not so much. Thx for the response.
Any need to add enzymes to a partial tank if the air is (Eastern WA) dry?
Common sense says do it anyway...
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12-21-2011, 04:24 PM
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#28
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northwest
Posts: 15
Year: 1973
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: International
Engine: 392 gas International
Rated Cap: 65
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Re: "Rufus"
I like your layout sketch. I am going to steal a lot of it for mine. I will probably switch places on the cooktop and the refer just so I can more easily ventilate the back of my propane fridge (and make it easier to get a beer while I am sitting on the couch).
Thanks for posting.
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12-27-2011, 01:56 PM
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#29
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
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01-05-2012, 11:00 AM
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#30
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
RE: Bus to RV registration requirements Washington State.
This is the info WA State 'Equipment Division' sent me today, thought I would share:
From: Equipment
January 4, 2012
This is in response to your inquiry.
Below is the RCW Definition of a motor home. In order to be licensed as a motor home it must meet these qualification.
RCW 46.04.305
Motor homes.
"Motor homes" means motor vehicles originally designed, reconstructed, or permanently altered to provide facilities for human habitation, which include lodging and cooking or sewage disposal, and is enclosed within a solid body shell with the vehicle, but excludes a camper or like unit constructed separately and affixed to a motor vehicle.
Once the conversion is complete contact the Department of Licensing for title change and registration.
At that time DOL will determine if an inspection is required. If it is requires, you can find information regarding the inspection and a list of our inspection locations on our Web site at http://www.wsp.wa.gov/traveler/vinspect.htm.
Hopefully this provides the information and clarification you needed. If you have additional questions about the licensing and reclassification of the vehicle please feel free to contact DOL directly at (360) 902-0122 or titles@dol.wa.gov.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
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01-05-2012, 11:32 AM
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#31
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: California City, CA
Posts: 267
Year: 1982
Coachwork: Thomas TransitLiner
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Re: "Rufus"
Might be good to post this in "Insurance/Registration" as well. There's a sticky "Typical RV License Requirements"
This stuff is always helpful.
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01-17-2012, 11:31 PM
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#32
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtd
Might be good to post this in "Insurance/Registration" as well. There's a sticky "Typical RV License Requirements"
This stuff is always helpful.
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Good idea... already did.
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02-18-2012, 06:24 PM
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#33
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Cannot find this heater online for specs... I was told (by seller) that this is a "no vent" inside heater? Will change natural gas to propane and try to use in bus... if safe? Anyone recognize this unit please chime in on info... Other pics are of floor plan (and yes, still pending final "will it work here?" ...
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02-18-2012, 06:27 PM
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#34
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
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02-18-2012, 07:27 PM
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#35
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Roswell, NM
Posts: 3,588
Year: 1986
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: 40 ft All American FE
Engine: 8.2LTA Fuel Pincher DD V8
Rated Cap: 89
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Re: "Rufus"
Quote:
Originally Posted by thommassey
Cannot find this heater online for specs... I was told (by seller) that this is a "no vent" inside heater? Will change natural gas to propane and try to use in bus... if safe? Anyone recognize this unit please chime in on info... Other pics are of floor plan (and yes, still pending final "will it work here?" ...
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Looks like a Jotul.
http://www.jotul.us/en-US/wwwjotulus...ul-F-500-Oslo/
http://www.rubymountainhearth.com/st...jotulwood.html
There is one like yours on eBay. I believe they are the same. You should be able to go to Jotol website and download a manual. I think your stove is circa 1980's.
Jotul Gas Stove F3 CB?
Quote:
Jotul Gas Stove F3 CB? The question mark is due to I cant find an F3 CB with all the vent holes on the front like this one. They look exactly alike but mine has more vents on the front. May be an older F3 CB? It is missing the heat safe handle for the door but it works, looks good, the surface rust you see is from me transporting it will wipe clean as you know if you have had this type of stove before. Its a bit dusty but a little light cleaning with oil and you're set. I'll include the 3' gas line with the sale. This is a local pick up only as is and no returns. If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them. Thank you for bidding!!!!
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02-18-2012, 08:18 PM
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#36
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Roswell, NM
Posts: 3,588
Year: 1986
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: 40 ft All American FE
Engine: 8.2LTA Fuel Pincher DD V8
Rated Cap: 89
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Re: "Rufus"
You should send a copy of the pic to Jotul and see if they can tell you what model it is.
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02-19-2012, 01:22 PM
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#37
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Quote:
Originally Posted by lornaschinske
You should send a copy of the pic to Jotul and see if they can tell you what model it is.
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I will try that, and also see if they have a kit for natural gas to propane (orofice smaller with propane I think) Thanks for the Links Lorna...
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02-20-2012, 10:08 PM
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#38
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
After sending photo to a few venders, come to find out it is a Jotul Classic 3 Vent Free, about 25-30 yrs old...
Also, after some more research, have decided not to use it in my bus for two main reasons: 1) It needs alot more air to circulate than you would think, and 2) the amount of moisture that will collect in the interior of the bus. Gonna look at other options, i.e. wood, vented propane, hydro, or...
Was still worth the $50 I gave for it, will be a good addition to the shop, whenever I get it built.
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02-21-2012, 10:42 PM
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#39
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Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 234
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 3208TA Cat 250HP
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: "Rufus"
Today I bought two new batteries, not like the ones that were in there, but none the less new. And yes, of course she fired right up! Woohoo! Took her for about a 12 mile ride down the hwy, after realizing I have to widen my driveway, at the top turn, again. She ran good, except for that side rear window I forgot to secure after taking it out for some inspection of metal... Nope! Did not break, and it fell inside which was good. I am having a friend help me find the air leak and tweak the cooling system. We should be ready for some service work after, i.e. change all fluids etc. So far, I think I have a good one...
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02-22-2012, 07:31 AM
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#40
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bakersfield, California
Posts: 1,013
Year: 1976
Coachwork: Crown
Chassis: Supercoach
Engine: Detroit 6-71 Mid-Ship Mounted
Rated Cap: 79 at Birth
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Re: "Rufus"
Glad to hear you got to go out on the road...it's always good
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