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Old 04-20-2021, 09:21 AM   #261
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Here's a rough plan for a 16 ft x 8 ft space. I say rough - there's no accounting for wall thickness or other "reality" type adjustments, just putting spaces together.
I don't think this is going to help us, with the east-west bed.... I had thought that I could use the rear door for nighttime sorties, but upon further reflection, I'm not sure that's practical.
In any event, I'm interested in what y'all think of it. What haven't I thought of?
If you have not yet built, here are my thoughts:
I would reconsider dedicating nearly 10% of your floor-space to a bathroom - a place where you spend less than 2% of your time. There are a ton of creative ways to have both a shower and a composting toilet that take up only the space the hardware for these require.

I'd also investigate the idea of a bed that can be suspended from the ceiling - the advantage being that you can use the space below for living during the day without having to sleep on a jigsaw puzzles of cushions that you must assemble every day - it simply hoists out of the way. At least, that's what I'll be doing with my shorty .

Finally, for you kitchen I would absolutely investigate a chest fridge instead of an upright - it just seems to have so many advantages to it an again, it frees up space for other stuff and I would have stove that is mounted lower than the counter or even a hot-plate cook-top (induction, of course). Also, although 36" is standard counter height, if you are short (like me) and you enjoy cooking, consider lowering that to a height that makes more sense for you.

Them's my 2 cents worth. If you've already built, I hope you are enjoying the open roads in your rig.

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Old 04-20-2021, 10:02 AM   #262
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Still may change...
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Old 05-27-2021, 08:16 PM   #263
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My floor plan.

My floor plan for a 6 window diamond coach shuttle bus. The couch lays flat for a bed.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:47 PM   #264
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:32 PM   #265
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Dogs look pretty weird upside-down. Tip: open the pic in an image editor, rotate as necessary, then save in PNG format. Files will be larger but at least they'll be consistently upright.

The JPEG format includes metadata that indicates the orientation, and this site (or maybe it's the phone's fault) messes up the display because of it. The PNG format doesn't include metadata so they always display correctly (and converting to PNG also gets rid of stuff that can make pics trackable).
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Old 07-17-2021, 10:32 PM   #266
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What app/program are y'all using for floorplans? Someone asked this early in the thread, but I'm guessing a lot has changed since 2006!!
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Old 07-19-2021, 11:33 PM   #267
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Post your floor plans!
This full size conversion only works with flat rear floors or long wheelbase REs (303" wheelbase shown).

13:1 scale

Objectives:
Can't see into bath area, from anywhere.
30"x60" activity-size shower,
head where ceiling is 6'6",
sink accessable from commode.

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Drain (g.tank) between the frame rails, plumbing vent & bath fan in center of roof, sliding door flanked by wet wall & elec panel on hall side. Just enough space for two old goats.
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:49 AM   #268
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We're almost finished so these plans are pretty much as it is built. I used microsoft visio from my office computer.
This is extremely helpful! Thank you for sharing.
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Old 08-26-2021, 11:30 AM   #269
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I guess it'll fit.

Thats what she said.
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Old 09-10-2021, 08:52 PM   #270
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This is my first attempt at a skoolie layout. Starting on my rig next year!
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:41 PM   #271
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Here is a video of the layout.
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Old 12-19-2021, 01:34 PM   #272
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Based off of the TC2000, doing my best to figure out how to fit everything in such a relatively small space.
What program did u use for your plans?
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:16 PM   #273
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I find that drawing are a waste of time, I've built over 240 conversions and never has a one turned out as it was drawn, as you build ideas will come to you and you'll go "now that's a great idea" if your flexible you'll end up with a better conversion by not sticking to just the plans you draw up.
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Old 05-14-2022, 09:35 AM   #274
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I'd say drawings aren't a complete waste of time, helps with making sure what we need/want will fit. However, your drawing(s) shouldn't be etched in stone, staying flexible will help when you stumble upon unanticipated challenges and as Big Dog said, new and better ideas.
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Old 05-14-2022, 09:46 AM   #275
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I'd say drawings aren't a complete waste of time, helps with making sure what we need/want will fit. However, your drawing(s) shouldn't be etched in stone, staying flexible will help when you stumble upon unanticipated challenges and as Big Dog said, new and better ideas.
That's my feelings on it, and was our experience, too. I created a 3D model in Autocad and it was a great blueprint and helped me visualize things. We also made a scale floorplan on graph paper, with all of our appliances and furnishings cut to scale so we could move them around and arrange things. We spent hours playing with that model and moving things around to get them just right. It was fun to do as well.

The build, itself, was a really fun project and we found so many unique workarounds and solutions to issues that the 3D model didn't show. Those A-ha moments were one of the most memorable things about the build and every time we utilize one of those solutions, it makes me grateful we were made to adapt on the fly and problem-solve our way through the build. I'm currently working on a 3D model of a Vardo wagon and can't wait to see what problems make themselves available to us when we start our build.
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Old 05-14-2022, 03:43 PM   #276
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I am a firm believer in drawing out diagrams and plans before constructing the various systems in my bus. This includes the layout in the bus, as well as electrical and plumbing. I also analyze what I have drawn and often found the need for changes. It is cheaper and faster to find problems on paper than during or after construction.
My as built results do vary from the original drawings, with placement of walls being a little different (an inch or two either way).
I also believe in starting with documentation of my requirements first.



1) define what do I want to do with the finished product?
a. Do I want to live in it?
b. Travel a lot - stay in the bus at stops?
c. Rarely travel - live in one place - move occasionally?
d. What time of year - warm weather only?
e. Where in country/world - cold places or hot places or both?
f. On highway only or off road, dry camp a lot or always connected to utilities?
g. how many people to live/travel in bus

The above starts to define what vehicle you start with.
By the time you have answered questions a - g, you can determine which bus to buy
Write down what your bus needs to accomplish a - g. Also consider your desired level of comfort when traveling/living in your bus.



Once all of the above has been turned into requirements, then start to draw out your design.
I would speculate that you will go through several versions before you find the one you like.


One last thought - be aware of limitations in your bus. For example Crowns that are mid engine need access to the engine through the floor for repairs, as well as various access covers.


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Old 05-14-2022, 05:28 PM   #277
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Examinining written details is always time well spent. In fact, invoiceable time, as it often leads to valuable income or avoiding costly mistakes.

Drawings, blueprints, submittals, etc are done in writing so that all parties involved have a clear understanding of what work is expected to be performed by whom using which materials on what date. (Statute of Fraud, Putting it in Writing) is especially important when contracting work. All parties are protected from verbal changes. Use written change orders to amend the original agreement when discrepancies arise.

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Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance & Provides Protection to all Parties.
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i also after the drawing and submittal phase like to mark out the layout with painters and use cardboard boxes and mock up the areas. to get an exact feel.
cardboard can be had for free and i usually take it back to the dumpster i pulled it out of.
construction material is not free and if you decide to change something it sometimes is wasted or just lays under foot until you can find a place to use it.
even in commercial construction more like the big barracks and hotels in the very beginning we all get together and mock up a single room and make sure everone meets there specific code and or happy then call the govt in to approve it. after that we have a pattern that everyone has agreed to to start the 200 identical rooms.
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i also after the drawing and submittal phase like to mark out the layout with painters and use cardboard boxes and mock up the areas. to get an exact feel.
cardboard can be had for free and i usually take it back to the dumpster i pulled it out of.
construction material is not free and if you decide to change something it sometimes is wasted or just lays under foot until you can find a place to use it.
even in commercial construction more like the big barracks and hotels in the very beginning we all get together and mock up a single room and make sure everone meets there specific code and or happy then call the govt in to approve it. after that we have a pattern that everyone has agreed to to start the 200 identical rooms.
Yes. All this. We used law furniture and pallets

Hospitals and Institutions do the same. Sample rooms, often with cut away views, are built & available for all workers to reference, before/durring multi-room construction.
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if you can afford the program and for a single project usually not.
BIM insertion module is a 3D program where evryone can insert there ductwork and electrical and piping and whatever in that area on the computer.
i have a few jobs but i am old school and still prefer the physical mock ups.
except for maybe debating a huge mechanical room and the huge ductwork entrance into a corridor at its first entrance and return.
the corridor everyone can just mock up a 10' section of duct, mechanical pipe, sprinkler pipe, cable tray, electrical junction box location and availability, control junction box access and a few more.
thats the key to getting everyone on the same page in the beginnings.
figure out your biggest most congested area and everything gets smaller from there.
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