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01-31-2018, 09:14 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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Oh Hello Rustness my old friend! Help
Hey Guys,
I'm back in Miami and got started on the floors. I knew the downfall of getting a Florida bus but with my situation(I live in the UK and I'm staying at families place rent free every time I come over to work on the bus) I had no other options. I got the bus for 3000, only +70000 mileage and they've let me keep it on their guard lot and do work on it while I find somewhere else to do it(Since August last year)
I knew Rust was going to be an issue and my budget was prepared for it. Now my question is... How would you go about it?
I have used a leaf blower to get most of the dust out. Tomorrow I was thinking of
1)Giving it a good scrub with Krud Kutter
2) Loctite rust dissolver on for 10 min, wash it off
3) Grind all the bad stuff aka most of the bus lol (Angle grinder and wire brush)
4) Bit more Loctite and wash off
5) Corroseal
6) Rust Oleum paint
7)Patch all the holes. Any preference for the bolts? I saw someone used roof flash tape... Is that any good? For the 2 holes at the entrance I'll probably have a friend weld a square sheet of metal over both of them.
Does that sound right? Any tips?
THANKS!!
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01-31-2018, 09:18 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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You are doing more than I would do ...
Grind the loose rust off first. Coat it with an ospho-based rust converter. Let it have time to work and dry. Wash it off and paint with Rustoleum Primer ... Done!
ps ... the larger holes need welded patches. The smaller ones can be plug welded, or you can just epoxy small patches over them. Pennies make good patches and they only cost 1c each.
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01-31-2018, 11:13 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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If you've got a fancy bus you can use nickels or quarters to epoxy over your floor holes. Quarters are usually reserved for coaches though.
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Robin
Nobody's Business
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01-31-2018, 11:30 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Sounds like a good plan to me. Knock off any loose rust then "convert" the surface with a good rust reformer...then paint. Never build a house on a shakey/flakey foundation.
Hey...it's in the Bible!
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01-31-2018, 11:48 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Don't build on the rust, build on the rock?
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Nobody's Business
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01-31-2018, 11:50 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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You do have to fix the big holes. Welding rusty metal is a hassle- you need to grind it to clean metal, it gets thin, pulls crap into the weld from the underside..
I'd rivet pieces of 18 ga over the big holes and weak spots. Don't skimp on the patch- go int the good metal to attach. Use seam sealer before placing the patch. You will put foam or wood over the floor, just need to seal-out the bugs and water and road slime.
Harbor freight air riveter and electric shears. we have coupons if you need.
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01-31-2018, 11:52 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
Don't build on the rust, build on the rock?
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Enough razzing about my name. I've had it my hole life. My last name is Bottom.
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02-01-2018, 06:20 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NY
Posts: 774
Year: 2002
Coachwork: International
Engine: dt466
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Sounds like a solid plan.
I did all of my grinding first, then used ospho...then did more grinding where I wasn't satisfied.
But.......after I was finished, I started working around the driver's seat when a friend had suggested using Coca-Cola. So I thought why not give it a go. I poured some on a bad spot, waited about 5 minutes...when I wiped up the area I was so very impressed with the results!! If I had known how good it was going to work I would have used it on the whole bus. I wasted money buying the"good stuff" when the coke worked, in my opinion, better. It left behind beautiful bare shiny steel which left me with minimal grinding.
So, what I would suggest is that you not do any grinding first, let the coke do it's thing and then grind the bad areas down.
I'm banging my head over this because it would have made shorter work over a long tedious job and could have saved me money too.
As far as plugging up the small holes, I used Henry's Crystal Clear. I love the stuff. It dries like hard rubber. I had to remove one of the plugs about a month later (can't remember why), and it took alot of strength to pull it out. I didn't think I would get it without having to resort to cutting it out.
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02-01-2018, 06:35 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,826
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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The best rust converter I've tried is this stuff-
The gallon, NOT the spray.
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02-01-2018, 06:46 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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I’ve heard of Coke before for bicycles but never thought of it for the bus! Looks like I’m going to detour to the supermarket before I get there!! I’ll give you an Update!
Do you think I should wash it with kk first and then put the coke? Or put the coke and then wash that off with KK
What is henry’s crystal clear?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tobeamiss
Sounds like a solid plan.
I did all of my grinding first, then used ospho...then did more grinding where I wasn't satisfied.
But.......after I was finished, I started working around the driver's seat when a friend had suggested using Coca-Cola. So I thought why not give it a go. I poured some on a bad spot, waited about 5 minutes...when I wiped up the area I was so very impressed with the results!! If I had known how good it was going to work I would have used it on the whole bus. I wasted money buying the"good stuff" when the coke worked, in my opinion, better. It left behind beautiful bare shiny steel which left me with minimal grinding.
So, what I would suggest is that you not do any grinding first, let the coke do it's thing and then grind the bad areas down.
I'm banging my head over this because it would have made shorter work over a long tedious job and could have saved me money too.
As far as plugging up the small holes, I used Henry's Crystal Clear. I love the stuff. It dries like hard rubber. I had to remove one of the plugs about a month later (can't remember why), and it took alot of strength to pull it out. I didn't think I would get it without having to resort to cutting it out.
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02-01-2018, 06:49 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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See I would of gotten the Rust Oleum if it wasn’t for the pushy RO salesmen at home depot who tried to upsale me the spray but couldn’t tell me why I should buy it if Loctite was Cheaper, took less time and had many more years behind it. He seemed more interested in trying to get picture of my shopping cart with rust oleum products in it than to convince me that it was a better product which made me think if the guy who sells it doesn’t believe it, why should I?
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02-01-2018, 06:52 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,826
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I've never seen a Rustoleum salesman.
I just know I've worked with metal, especially rusty metal, for my entire adult life. And this is the best product I've found for actually converting rust.
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02-01-2018, 06:56 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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Oh they exist. And they turn your 30 min stay at Home Depot into a 2h stay. I’m definetely buying the paint on Amazon due to the fear of bumping into him again, life is to short when you’ve just started a skoolie. Lol
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02-01-2018, 06:59 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,826
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I wish there were more Rustoleum salesmen. Maybe less folks would end up painting their buses with latex house paint.
Seriously though- I hate pushy sales tactics.
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02-01-2018, 08:41 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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I know it made me feel like I missed out on a good product but it was bad. I mean worst comes to worst coke and loctite doesn’t work and I order some from amazon. No biggie, little budget blow and a lesson learned!
Going at 1pm to start with some coke and cleaning and see how that goes! Might do Coke the Loctite and then grind and see if it needs another hit of reformer. Then get some corroseal on and a coat of rust oleum pain and then seal with That crystal clear stuff!
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02-01-2018, 08:45 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,826
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by annvp89
I know it made me feel like I missed out on a good product but it was bad. I mean worst comes to worst coke and loctite doesn’t work and I order some from amazon. No biggie, little budget blow and a lesson learned!
Going at 1pm to start with some coke and cleaning and see how that goes! Might do Coke the Loctite and then grind and see if it needs another hit of reformer. Then get some corroseal on and a coat of rust oleum pain and then seal with That crystal clear stuff!
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I'm sure the loctite will be a similar product. The coke would just make a sticky mess, so I'd see how the loctite does on its own. s The Corroseal isn't necessary. The loctite is the same product- a rust converter.
Also I really don't think your floors need a clear coat.
Just wire wheel/brush all the rust as hard as you can then put that loctite stuff on per instructions.
After that you should be able to prime or paint it and forget it.
If the rust is really bad replace that with new metal.
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02-01-2018, 08:48 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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These days I have to ask...
Coke, Diet Coke, Mexican Coke, Coke Zero, Coke with Lime, Coke Life, Coke Light...
This was not an issue when I was a kid. Coke was Coke.
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02-01-2018, 09:12 AM
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#18
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 43
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3600
Engine: T444E Diesel, Allison 545 Transmission
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Here comes hurdle number 2... Lady with the lot I have my bus on won't let me wash off anti corrosive because supposedly she gets inspectors checking her drainage every 6 month for it to make sure they don't do any mechanical work there...
Anyone know of a space in Miami (Or within 40 min of Bal Harbour) where I can park and do work? I . have $200 bucks a month(negotiable) and work would be for 3 weeks every 3 to 4 month the rest of the time I'd be back in the UK and the baby would just be static.
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02-01-2018, 09:43 AM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Could you just move the bus when its rinse time and return when dry? dunno.
Rustoleum salesman sounds cool, as long as they are informed. I hate push salespeople, but I was in retail long ago and have ways to get them to leave me alone very quickly.
I wast at Lowes the other day and spotted an unusual gallon can of FLAT black rusotleum for $10 on clearance. I went to buy it and the checkout lady (who was a mgr) said it's illegal for me to buy it. Message on computer would not let her sell it to me. I told her to ring it as semi-gloss, she refused. Sign of things to come- everything is going to crappy water-based paint. I sure hope they dismantle that EPA soon.
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02-01-2018, 09:54 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,402
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
If you've got a fancy bus you can use nickels or quarters to epoxy over your floor holes. Quarters are usually reserved for coaches though.
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I understand that on Prevost's you need to use Loonies....
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