4 Curious Georges' 2001 Saf-T-Liner

[Tango]

Is the "ventless" specifically rated for "indoor use"?

[david.dgeorge07]

Originally Posted by Tango

Is the "ventless" specifically rated for "indoor use"?

Yes


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[BlackJohn]

Pardon my stupidity, but why is it ventless? No propane combustion happening? Old school here. I'd use the trailer one, keep all the plumbing outside and run off a header with valves to your appliances etc. They vent outside and keep the noise outside. When travelling do you need instant recovery? Relax, save your money and buy something you need more.

John

[cadillackid]

ventless propane in a bus in the winter time?? === big ole wonky clammy mess inside the bus...
-Christopher

[BlackJohn]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

ventless propane in a bus in the winter time?? === big ole wonky clammy mess inside the bus...
-Christopher

Why worry when the shower adds so much humidity anyway? Shower outside then is the solution.

John

[david.dgeorge07]

Good thoughts. It is ventless because it doesn't need to be vented outside. I understand the humidity aspect but felt like the impact would be low for intermittent use. If I can figure a way to bench test the one I pulled out I'll go with that one.


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[Twigg]

Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07

I have an on demand water heater that I purchased before scoring the wreck. It has about a 5 gallon water heater. Do you have opinions on which is better? The conventional one is vented so that means cutting a hole in the bus. The other is ventless. Both run on LP/propane.


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Vented does mean no combustion products, including water vapor, inside the bus.

Non-vented is easier.

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

Build a tent or if you have a tent then pipe and wire them in to an enclosed area and see what does what.
I personally would use PVC pipe and plastic kinda like a green house the size of the area I was intending on sticking it in?
I chose that idea because I already have that material but the idea is the same.
Build a box to your intended dimension and test the vented verses non vented for your intended purpose.
For me?
Any gas appliance will have a dedicated vent without a backdraft damper and should not be used on the road.
There are ways to combat that issue but they are my ideas and opinions and safety wise I won't share them with just anyone?

[david.dgeorge07]

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223

Build a tent or if you have a tent then pipe and wire them in to an enclosed area and see what does what.

I personally would use PVC pipe and plastic kinda like a green house the size of the area I was intending on sticking it in?

I chose that idea because I already have that material but the idea is the same.

Build a box to your intended dimension and test the vented verses non vented for your intended purpose.

For me?

Any gas appliance will have a dedicated vent without a backdraft damper and should not be used on the road.

There are ways to combat that issue but they are my ideas and opinions and safety wise I won't share them with just anyone?

That's a good idea! I'm trying to scheme a way right now to figure out how to temporarily wire up and plum in the units.


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[david.dgeorge07]

I'm also trying to decide if I should just use my two pioneer mini splits or if I should put the Coleman Mach III plus AC unit on top as well. It's a 13.5 thousand BTU rooftop AC. Do you guys think that my 2x 1 ton mini splits would be enough on a hot day or would I be happy to have a third unit?It looks like I could reasonably expect to get maybe $300 or so for it used if I were to sell it. Hopefully I'll have pictures to post on Thursday of my spray foam insulation!


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[david.dgeorge07]

I'm bench testing my scavenged RV fridge. So far I've learned that just because it will run on 120 V doesn't mean you can neglect to hook up the 12 V system. It never occurred to me that it would need both in order to use one. Other than that it seems to be working just fine. I was also surprised to discover that this fridge is silent while it is initially warming up. I thought it wasn't running but it actually was it just has a heating element that has to warm up first and that is pretty much entirely silent.


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[BlackJohn]

Go for redundency. Build in both water heaters and add the a/c in also. if you can swing that, you will really have a fine piece of equipment. And fast recovery for added guests to shower quickly.

John

[Twigg]

Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07

I'm bench testing my scavenged RV fridge. So far I've learned that just because it will run on 120 V doesn't mean you can neglect to hook up the 12 V system. It never occurred to me that it would need both in order to use one. Other than that it seems to be working just fine. I was also surprised to discover that this fridge is silent while it is initially warming up. I thought it wasn't running but it actually was it just has a heating element that has to warm up first and that is pretty much entirely silent.


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They are called "absorption fridges". They run on the principle of thermodynamic flow which is why they need a heater rather than a compressor. They are very reliable and cool well, but they are not very efficient.

Scavenged items are a good deal, but they cost an arm and a leg, so I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a new one, for the cost or the efficiency.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07

I will post more pictures later but the axle was bent so the camber was way out on one side and that side of the trailer was low, leaning, and bulged out. I had to remove the tire and sawzall out the wheel well just to get the tire to spin. That was before they kicked me off of the yard.

So that's why you got such a great deal- it didn't want to move. Well, you scored some real nice appliances and hatches and goodies for your build.

[david.dgeorge07]

Originally Posted by Rusty

So that's why you got such a great deal- it didn't want to move. Well, you scored some real nice appliances and hatches and goodies for your build.

You can see the tire in question at the bottom of this picture. This picture was taken after I removed the slide out.



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[david.dgeorge07]

Bench testing the furnace. It works fine!


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[Rusty]

Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07

You can see the tire in question at the bottom of this picture. This picture was taken after I removed the slide out.



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Oh, that'll buff right out.

So, what is your opinion of modern trailer construction and materials?

[david.dgeorge07]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Oh, that'll buff right out.



So, what is your opinion of modern trailer construction and materials?

The light weight legitimately makes them easy to tow, and I have seen some really nice ones, but they seem quite fragile. More creature comforts, but not way sturdier than a tent.


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[Twigg]

Modern trailers are built down to a weight. School buses are built up to a safety standard.

[david.dgeorge07]

so this happened today!


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