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09-21-2017, 08:28 PM
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#41
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We drove the bus from San Antonio to Houston - about 160 miles. The bus was governed at 50mph - what a slow trip. I brought a truck driver friend that's familiar with diesels and air brakes. We did a couple circles in the schools lot, tested the stopping ability of air brakes.
The few pictures are from pickup and when we stopped at McDonald's.
While driving I noticed that 50mph we are running at about 1750 to 2500 rpm. 1750 down hill, 2500 up hill. On level, we sat at about 2000 rpm. Based on that, can someone guess the axle ratio is and weather it should do 65 once the governor is increased (we'd like to govern at 70 so we can pass when needed).
We'll be pulling the seats out this weekend.
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09-21-2017, 11:39 PM
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#42
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,753
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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that 444E should run up to 2700 RPM. what size tires do you have? are they 11R22.5's?
sounds like you have AT545 transmission with so much variance in RPM... hard to tell what your slip ratio is .. 2000 RPM at 50 if your slip ration was zero on flat ground you might make 65?
you can call a navistar dealer with your VIN and they can tell you what rear gear ratio is in it. the governor is in the computer program, easy fro a dealer or anyone with the NEXIQ device to remove it.
-Christopher
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09-22-2017, 08:46 PM
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#43
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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An updated link:
http://www.txdmv.gov/txdmv-forms/doc...vehicle-manual
ASSEMBLED AND REBUILT VEHICLE
MANUAL
11.2 Converted Trucks and Buses
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09-23-2017, 03:09 PM
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#44
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We started pulling seats. It worked best with someone under the bus to hold the nut in place, and an electric drill to unscew them. Their were a few that we had to break loose with the socket, but then the drill would unscrew them in seconds.
The person that owns the lots wants the seats - he's going to sell then for scrap metal costs... It save m efforts of disposal.
I tool some interior pictures before demo. I'll get some more when I start next. I was thinking a pic from the emergancy exit in back every day... do some stop gap animation.
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09-24-2017, 02:44 PM
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#45
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Where she is being stored and 1/3 the seats out.
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09-29-2017, 04:26 PM
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#46
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We pulled the rest of the seats out. I use a 1/2" wrench under the but to keep the nuts from spinning. Inside we used a drill with a 7/16 bit to unscrew then. Most came out nicely. I had one that I drilled into the head was able to pop the had off. That other, we ripped the seat out tearing the head through metal.
We layed out blue tape to see what we might actually have. I did change up the layout.
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09-30-2017, 03:46 PM
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#47
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We got out 90% of the floor. The area where the driver is at still needs removed.
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10-07-2017, 04:18 PM
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#48
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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More progress. The panels above the windows are gone, and the panel under the windows on the "passenger side" is gone.
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10-07-2017, 06:50 PM
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#49
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: The West
Posts: 1,210
Year: 1998
Coachwork: MCI
Chassis: 102 EL3
Engine: DD 60
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Isn't all the destruction "fun"!!!
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10-08-2017, 01:06 PM
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#50
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Fun... Rivets are not fun to remove - they are some work. I question taking everything down, but from everything I've read, this is the proper way to do the bus...
Insulate so the AC is effective. We are in Texas.
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10-08-2017, 05:16 PM
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#51
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by syntel
Fun... Rivets are not fun to remove - they are some work. I question taking everything down, but from everything I've read, this is the proper way to do the bus...
Insulate so the AC is effective. We are in Texas.
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Once you get the right tools rivets are easy.
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10-08-2017, 09:35 PM
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#52
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Once you get the right tools rivets are easy.
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Tool? What would you recommend? Links?
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10-09-2017, 04:00 AM
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#53
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by syntel
Tool? What would you recommend? Links?
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An air chisel. They're $10-$20 at any place that sells air tools.
You will need a compressor to run one.
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10-15-2017, 09:27 AM
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#54
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We got the other panel down. This time, we used a 7/32 and 1/4 cobalt drill bits and drilled out the center of the rivets. The head popped right off... The KEY here was to use an electric drill. For some reason a corded drill worked MUCH better (80-90%) while a batter powered drill (Dewalt) would only get about (30-40%). Anyways, progress. We were also loaned a generator.
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03-22-2018, 08:46 PM
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#55
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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We got all the ceiling and side panels down... Ready to deal with the rusty floor, insulate, and start building her back up.
I did buy a generator - generac 6500e... Electic start gas.
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03-22-2018, 08:47 PM
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#56
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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I ultimately used a grinder and ground of the rivet heads.
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03-22-2018, 08:49 PM
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#57
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Today I got the decals off on the outside... I used a window scraper.. now I am left with the glue.
From my understanding use WD-40 to remove the glue. I will then be sanding the outside to scuff up the paint so new painted adheres well. I'll be wiping the bus down with either acetone or MEK to remove all oil residues and give it a cleaning before painting.
I don't know if we go with the Rustoleum exterior enamel, or do I go get an epoxy boat paint. I've used in epoxy boat paint once before. It's Ronnie, has great coverage, and should be extra durable.
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03-23-2018, 07:28 PM
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#58
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 108
Year: 1999
Coachwork: International
Engine: 3800 T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Started to paint the bus today.
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03-24-2018, 09:41 PM
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#59
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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I like the silver,reminds me of the Tin Man.
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03-24-2018, 10:19 PM
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#60
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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Very sharp! I was considering a silver or grey. Cant wait to see it once your done
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