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08-25-2014, 10:56 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by nachosforjoe
What kind of bus do you have?
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HERE I present La Tortuga http://www.skoolie.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12570
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09-09-2014, 09:01 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
And the wall frames are going up! Used self tapping screws to put them up. Drilled right into the bus walls. Was absolutely fantastic.
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09-09-2014, 09:32 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
is it the huge picture...or are your walls not 90* to the floor
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09-09-2014, 09:48 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by bansil
is it the huge picture...or are your walls not 90* to the floor
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are my walls not 90* to the floor? I did take a level to the walls and they aren't 100% level, not really sure why though. But the picture makes it look worse than it really is
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09-09-2014, 10:47 AM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,227
Year: 1935
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: Chevy
Engine: 317 ci/tid / Isuzu
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
I looked at those walls and decided I'd better put the screw cap back on my wine bottle. After reading the last post I guess I was overly anxious
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09-09-2014, 11:17 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by ol trunt
I looked at those walls and decided I'd better put the screw cap back on my wine bottle. After reading the last post I guess I was overly anxious
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Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
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09-09-2014, 11:52 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by ol trunt
I looked at those walls and decided I'd better put the screw cap back on my wine bottle. After reading the last post I guess I was overly anxious
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Next time I go work on it I will get a better picture of it. Even looking at the picture on my computer it doesn't look as bad as the image online. I do know they aren't completely straight at points. I took a level to the wall and the windows and frame below were not at the same level. Couldn't think of anyway to correct this
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09-09-2014, 11:57 AM
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#28
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by nachosforjoe
Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
I looked at those walls and decided I'd better put the screw cap back on my wine bottle. After reading the last post I guess I was overly anxious
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Next time I go work on it I will get a better picture of it. Even looking at the picture on my computer it doesn't look as bad as the image online. I do know they aren't completely straight at points. I took a level to the wall and the windows and frame below were not at the same level. Couldn't think of anyway to correct this
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your fine, we were just "rubbing you" in a PC kind of way
best way to secure studs to side walls I think
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09-09-2014, 12:04 PM
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#29
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Quote:
Originally Posted by bansil
Quote:
Originally Posted by nachosforjoe
Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
I looked at those walls and decided I'd better put the screw cap back on my wine bottle. After reading the last post I guess I was overly anxious
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Next time I go work on it I will get a better picture of it. Even looking at the picture on my computer it doesn't look as bad as the image online. I do know they aren't completely straight at points. I took a level to the wall and the windows and frame below were not at the same level. Couldn't think of anyway to correct this
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your fine, we were just "rubbing you" in a PC kind of way
best way to secure studs to side walls I think
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Wanted to make sure that anything I secure later on to the studs doesnt get pulled off so I used 2 3/4" self tapping metal screws. One on the bottom, one in the middle, and one on the top. Going to eventually place plywood on top of the 2x4's running all the way up the wall. Not covering the windows, but covering the 2x4s. Then have plywood above the windows to hide the wires/lighting i plan to run
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09-16-2014, 08:57 AM
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#30
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Started doing floors but ran out of screws unfortunately. Also I think I need a larger vehicle. 8 foot plywood doesnt fit in my SUV with 6 feet of cargo space. Yes I know they are not straight, but it wont matter as that is getting covered over. Also intend to fill the gaps on the sides.
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09-16-2014, 09:33 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The Valley - Arizona
Posts: 644
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freight-shaker (Freightliner)
Engine: Cat 3126b 250 HP
Rated Cap: Only 1 seat
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Make sure you fill all gaps! You don't need air leaks or heat transfer happening when you don't want it to!
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09-16-2014, 09:34 AM
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#32
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by Docsgsxr
Make sure you fill all gaps! You don't need air leaks or heat transfer happening when you don't want it to!
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Thats the plan! Going to get some type of filler for the small cracks. The larger ones I will just get some of my plywood and cut it to smaller size
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09-16-2014, 09:36 AM
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#33
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The Valley - Arizona
Posts: 644
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freight-shaker (Freightliner)
Engine: Cat 3126b 250 HP
Rated Cap: Only 1 seat
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Just remember, the spray foam holds moisture! Don't need any rust accelerators trapped in there!
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09-16-2014, 09:42 AM
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#34
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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Originally Posted by Docsgsxr
Just remember, the spray foam holds moisture! Don't need any rust accelerators trapped in there!
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Thanks! Any good product suggestions?
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09-16-2014, 11:14 AM
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#35
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,227
Year: 1935
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: Chevy
Engine: 317 ci/tid / Isuzu
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Doc, I had heard that also so I tested Great Stuff for water absorption by placing a cured lump of it in a sealed jar full of water. I let the foam steep for two weeks and when I removed the cover on the bottle the foam jumped to the surface just as it had done when I first placed it in the water. The mfg says its foam is closed cell so I suppose the results I got are what I should have expected. IMO unless there is dirt or rust or something else to hold water between the spray foam and the metal, Great Stuff, at least, won't promote rust. One thing that will mess up spray foam is not allowing it foam to "grow". If it is confined it becomes a sticky mass of glop with no insulating properties at all and a real mess to clean up (personal experience) Jack
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09-16-2014, 07:50 PM
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#36
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The Valley - Arizona
Posts: 644
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freight-shaker (Freightliner)
Engine: Cat 3126b 250 HP
Rated Cap: Only 1 seat
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
O.T., you are absolutely correct, the foam itself will not hold moisture, but if you butt it up against plywood, which will, plus the vibration of the vehicle, say after 15000 miles on midwestern interstate I am sure it will not be perfectly sealed. Plus the foam won't rust, but it will also not let the water evaporate once it is trapped between the foam and the steel.
Try that same test with a steel divot, with the foam on it with a small penetration so the moisture can get to the metal. You'll see what I meant.
Please don't think I'm "Nat'ting" here. Just hate once you get all that work into it, you wind up with a hole in it.
Only my .02, but there are others who have experiences with it too.
I have never used expanding foam with metal. Only plumbing, doors and window installs in a house.
-Doc
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09-23-2014, 07:38 AM
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#37
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 40
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-t Liner
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
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09-23-2014, 08:12 AM
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#38
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Cuyahoga Falls Ohio
Posts: 592
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Startrans
Chassis: Ford e-350 single wheel
Engine: 5.4 litre
Rated Cap: 12
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
BWAWAWAAA "nat'ting " I spit my coffee all over my keyboard.
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Originally Posted by Docsgsxr
O.T., you are absolutely correct, the foam itself will not hold moisture, but if you butt it up against plywood, which will, plus the vibration of the vehicle, say after 15000 miles on midwestern interstate I am sure it will not be perfectly sealed. Plus the foam won't rust, but it will also not let the water evaporate once it is trapped between the foam and the steel.
Try that same test with a steel divot, with the foam on it with a small penetration so the moisture can get to the metal. You'll see what I meant.
Please don't think I'm "Nat'ting" here. Just hate once you get all that work into it, you wind up with a hole in it.
Only my .02, but there are others who have experiences with it too.
I have never used expanding foam with metal. Only plumbing, doors and window installs in a house.
-Doc
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09-23-2014, 10:05 AM
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#39
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Mortar ???
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09-23-2014, 11:05 AM
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#40
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Bus Geek
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Location: So Cal
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Re: College student taking on 2000 Thomas Saf-t Liner
Good idea Tango and it will make the bus rock solid as well .
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