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03-04-2018, 02:37 PM
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#21
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Do you feel gaining an inch by removing the plywood is a plus? What do you plan on replacing it with for flooring or insulation? You'll need some sort of subfloor to secure the top floor.
I always stock up on HF grinders when they have weekend sales and you can get corded grinders for $5. I have 3, 2 still in the box.
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03-04-2018, 02:44 PM
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#22
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 1,413
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Thomas
Engine: CAT 3126
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It doesn’t work for everybody but for some people if you take a breaker bar and tighten the bolt the head will shear off pretty quickly and easily. It tends to work best in situations where there was enough undercoating applied to once you start to tighten the bolt kind of binds into place. It’s worth a try at least for sure. I think you’ll find it if you can get it to work it will make the whole project about 10 times faster.
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03-04-2018, 03:10 PM
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#23
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07
It doesn’t work for everybody but for some people if you take a breaker bar and tighten the bolt the head will shear off pretty quickly and easily. It tends to work best in situations where there was enough undercoating applied to once you start to tighten the bolt kind of binds into place. It’s worth a try at least for sure. I think you’ll find it if you can get it to work it will make the whole project about 10 times faster.
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Not a job I'm looking forward to, so I'll put this method in the back of my mind.
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03-04-2018, 06:13 PM
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#24
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Do you feel gaining an inch by removing the plywood is a plus? What do you plan on replacing it with for flooring or insulation? You'll need some sort of subfloor to secure the top floor.
I always stock up on HF grinders when they have weekend sales and you can get corded grinders for $5. I have 3, 2 still in the box.
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I originally thought it was rubber on steel so I thought that I'd lose 3/4" of height because I AM putting a subfloor in. Being that there is already wood there, I realize I will maintain my current height because I'm not adding something that wasn't there before.
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03-04-2018, 07:53 PM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjhwick119
I originally thought it was rubber on steel so I thought that I'd lose 3/4" of height because I AM putting a subfloor in. Being that there is already wood there, I realize I will maintain my current height because I'm not adding something that wasn't there before.
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Still sounds as though you have no plans for insulation on the floor, if so, you haven't been paying attention to how important that step is.
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03-04-2018, 08:07 PM
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#26
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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I plan on insulating the floor. Not as much as some to retain headroom, but after ripping out what's in here I'm gonna do 1 inch insulation with wood. Will also be insulating the walls and roof
I could have explained it better. When I said maintain my current height, I was meaning my current anticipated height for the build. Not as the bus is now.
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03-04-2018, 08:48 PM
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#27
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjhwick119
I'll just wait until another set of hands
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I had to do some of mine by myself too. Get a few cheap channel locks for the topside, then crawl underneath and unbolt. It's a great ab workout also.
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03-04-2018, 08:51 PM
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#28
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Brunswick, GA
Posts: 150
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
Loosen both bolts per foot.
Use a pry-bar under the foot to keep pressure on the nut while you use the impact wrench.
Unless the bolts are very rusty, this will get most of them out.
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I used a nut driver in my battery operated drill. Using light pressure, I was able to get over half of the bolts out without a helper below. If only the rivets in the ceiling panels were that easy!!
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03-04-2018, 09:03 PM
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#29
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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I took advantage of rusted out welds and a little leverage and wiggling back and forth and all the posts are snapping off from the bases. Impact and crowbar wasn't getting me anywhere.
Got all the upper window trim removed, and the vinyl padded boards running the sidewalls under the windows as well
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03-04-2018, 09:05 PM
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#30
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plfking
I had to do some of mine by myself too. Get a few cheap channel locks for the topside, then crawl underneath and unbolt. It's a great ab workout also.
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I think I'll do this tomorrow. Didn't think about it. Won't help on the ones I already broke off, unless the lower nuts are by a frame and I can put channel locks there.
Thanks for the tip
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03-04-2018, 09:17 PM
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#31
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrailLifeBill
If only the rivets in the ceiling panels were that easy!!
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If you haven't started your ceiling yet, check out the video in the thread titled "Quick and Easy roof panel removal".......there can't be an easier way to do it. Literally took me 1 second to punch and 2 seconds to shear.
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03-04-2018, 09:20 PM
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#32
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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My Thomas body has screws in roof and side walls. My dewalt should make good work of those
Edit-Just took out one row of screws to see. All came out fine, 5 minutes for the row
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03-04-2018, 09:48 PM
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#33
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Brunswick, GA
Posts: 150
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plfking
If you haven't started your ceiling yet, check out the video in the thread titled "Quick and Easy roof panel removal".......there can't be an easier way to do it. Literally took me 1 second to punch and 2 seconds to shear.
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Thanks - that is how I have been doing it, but I think I need to tweak the grind on my flat chisel head. It's taking me 20 seconds or so per - and is giving my air compressor a workout (10 gallon compressor).
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03-04-2018, 09:50 PM
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#34
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Fayetteville Arkansas
Posts: 419
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: GMC G3500 Vandura
Engine: V-8 5.7L Gas
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Mine also has screws. It's a big win!
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03-04-2018, 09:58 PM
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#35
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Campbell, Tx
Posts: 204
Year: 2004
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC
Engine: T444e, 7.3
Rated Cap: 12
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Which batteries did you angle grinder have? I have the large Dewalt batteries and they work great.
You could buy an inverter for a couple hundred dollars and just idle the bus.
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03-04-2018, 10:05 PM
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#36
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Campbell, Tx
Posts: 204
Year: 2004
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC
Engine: T444e, 7.3
Rated Cap: 12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjhwick119
I think I'll do this tomorrow. Didn't think about it. Won't help on the ones I already broke off, unless the lower nuts are by a frame and I can put channel locks there.
Thanks for the tip
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I think he might have meant Vice Grips.
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03-04-2018, 10:23 PM
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#37
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by consti2tion
Which batteries did you angle grinder have? I have the large Dewalt batteries and they work great.
You could buy an inverter for a couple hundred dollars and just idle the bus.
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The slim 20v. And I know them as vice grips, but I've heard them called channel locks as well so understood what he meant.
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03-04-2018, 11:25 PM
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#38
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jjhwick119
The slim 20v. And I know them as vice grips, but I've heard them called channel locks as well so understood what he meant.
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My bad.....I always do that and confuse people. Channel Lock (the company) was the first tool manufacturer to make vise grip pliers, and we always called them channel locks back in the day.
I need to get with the times.......you know the one about old dogs and new tricks.
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03-04-2018, 11:44 PM
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#39
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrailLifeBill
Thanks - that is how I have been doing it, but I think I need to tweak the grind on my flat chisel head. It's taking me 20 seconds or so per - and is giving my air compressor a workout (10 gallon compressor).
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Yeah.....I really think grinding the chisel as he shows in his video is the key.....the rounded side pushes the chisel cutting edge away from the ceiling, so you're actually cutting the mandrel straight across vs. at an angle. And the cutting edge needs to be as thin as possible. My six window had rivets in all the wall and ceiling panels, and the chisel cut them all without re-sharpening.
I've got an 8 gallon compressor, and I could shear about 20 or so before I had to stop for about 30 seconds to let the air build back up.
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03-04-2018, 11:56 PM
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#40
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plfking
My bad.....I always do that and confuse people. Channel Lock (the company) was the first tool manufacturer to make vise grip pliers, and we always called them channel locks back in the day.
I need to get with the times.......you know the one about old dogs and new tricks.
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You're confused ... I'm confused.
In the UK we call the Mole Grips (Mole is the company that makes them).
Still, I'm trans-Atlantic now so I got it.
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