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Old 06-14-2017, 08:23 AM   #921
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It's not that I didn't believe ECCB, it's that I wanted to know why. "Better" means a lot of things to a lot of people. That study provides empirical information that is particularly helpful in answering my question. Thanks for taking the time and effort to post it up, ECCB! Wish I'd have known before I did my floor in Corroseal. Oh well--live and learn!

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Old 06-14-2017, 08:43 AM   #922
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It's not that I didn't believe ECCB, it's that I wanted to know why. "Better" means a lot of things to a lot of people. That study provides empirical information that is particularly helpful in answering my question. Thanks for taking the time and effort to post it up, ECCB! Wish I'd have known before I did my floor in Corroseal. Oh well--live and learn!

Oh, no, I'm with you on that. I was curious what was better about it too, until I saw the explanation. Haha
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Old 06-14-2017, 08:55 AM   #923
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Too many words to be fake - I am with Rameses
All that copying/pasting and presumably from the internet; it's gotta be true.


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Old 06-14-2017, 08:58 AM   #924
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All that copying/pasting and presumably from the internet; it's gotta be true.


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Exactly, ........I would type more but I am lazy
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:30 AM   #925
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Excellent post ECCB! Thank you for the research and knowledge!

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Old 06-14-2017, 01:26 PM   #926
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Excellent post ECCB! Thank you for the research and knowledge!

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Heck, no problem!
I didn't do the research, I just posted it here!
I already knew Rust Reformer was top notch, but when I read that it only reinforced what I already believed.

Pretty much everyone who's used the stuff swears by it. Supposed to be even better than Por15 and half the price. Also doesn't require other products and prep solutions like por15.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:36 PM   #927
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Long read but I got through it all.
Great Job !!!

Will be watching this progress.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:41 PM   #928
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Long read but I got through it all.
Great Job !!!

Will be watching this progress.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:20 AM   #929
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Hey man! Quick question. Do you remember what page your roof raise prep and work happened on? And do you know where transcendence has a lot of his process posted? I need to crush up on my roof raise knowledge. We should hopefully be starting ours very shortly. We should wrap up moving to a new house by the end of the month. Thanks bud!

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Old 07-19-2017, 11:30 AM   #930
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I need to crush up on my roof raise knowledge. We should hopefully be starting ours very shortly.
Ditto.

Hey ECCB,
Do you know if anyone has done the reskinning in two single pieces for the sides of the bus? I've no idea what that would weigh in a 40-ish foot length. Nor do I have any idea how I would get that lifted but I do like the idea of tying ALL of the ribs together since the ceiling panels will no longer be there. And I wouldn't feel so back putting in a 38" (or whatever) and framing it out like a house for a window bigger than the OEM ribs allow. I don't know that I'll need/want to do that just yet but I like options.

There's a guy in NV on YouTube I've been following. His is a Thomas but he reskinned in 20 gauge. That would cut down on the weight. He also did an entire roof raise. It's more rivets to drill out (my god the front cap is covered in rivets; literally an inch apart if that) but I think it might be easier than trying to get a good looking transition.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:32 AM   #931
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Transcendence has a whole youtube channel showing his bus roof raise. Worth sitting down and binge-watching right on through.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:50 AM   #932
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Transcendence has a whole youtube channel showing his bus roof raise. Worth sitting down and binge-watching right on through.
I think it was around Video #12 ish. Might have been before that.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:45 PM   #933
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Hey man! Quick question. Do you remember what page your roof raise prep and work happened on? And do you know where transcendence has a lot of his process posted? I need to crush up on my roof raise knowledge. We should hopefully be starting ours very shortly. We should wrap up moving to a new house by the end of the month. Thanks bud!

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The only stuff I have would be in this thread.
I can dig up the pics on Imgur and repost em since they're buried.
GImme a few hours.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:14 PM   #934
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im not sure id want to try and skin the whole length of a raised section in one piece.. seems like if you were off even just a little bit ..it would cause issues.. in 8 feet or so you can correct for imperfections with each panel..
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:29 PM   #935
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im not sure id want to try and skin the whole length of a raised section in one piece.. seems like if you were off even just a little bit ..it would cause issues.. in 8 feet or so you can correct for imperfections with each panel..
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It's not going to lift like 40 feet of plate steel (straight and true even if at an angle) but I'm hoping it would be easier to see if it is off somewhere. Put a Clicos every 8~10 ft along the top edge and let it hang like a sheet. Check the corners top and bottom at both ends and you know whether the bus and the metal are straight.

My problem with the 4x8 or 4x10 sheets is that none of my ribs are at 8 or 10 feet. There's going to be a lot of waste if I go that route.
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It's not going to lift like 40 feet of plate steel (straight and true even if at an angle) but I'm hoping it would be easier to see if it is off somewhere. Put a Clicos every 8~10 ft along the top edge and let it hang like a sheet. Check the corners top and bottom at both ends and you know whether the bus and the metal are straight.

My problem with the 4x8 or 4x10 sheets is that none of my ribs are at 8 or 10 feet. There's going to be a lot of waste if I go that route.
What about buying the full sheet and cutting it into manageable sheets where your ribs land... Boom less waste!
(I don't even know if this is possible lol)


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or you weld a vertical in where the sheet ends.. knowing you would never cut out for a window between skin sheets, that vertical would be safe
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:02 PM   #938
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What about buying the full sheet and cutting it into manageable sheets where your ribs land... Boom less waste!
(I don't even know if this is possible lol)
With enough money, almost everything is possible. Each cut costs money. How much money, I've no idea. An extra buck to get it cut at 11'7" instead of 12 would be worth it. An extra $50, I dunno.

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or you weld a vertical in where the sheet ends.. knowing you would never cut out for a window between skin sheets, that vertical would be safe
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I'd have to frame it out with horizontals to have something for the verticals to weld to. I like this more than cutting 8 foot sheets down but I'd have to do that for every sheet at one end or the other. I'd want pieces bigger than 8 feet so I can stagger port side from starboard side. If I'm already going with 12 foot pieces cut to length, it might be cheaper to get it in a 40 foot continuous and cut it somewhere off center.
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With enough money, almost everything is possible. Each cut costs money. How much money, I've no idea. An extra buck to get it cut at 11'7" instead of 12 would be worth it. An extra $50, I dunno.

I'd have to frame it out with horizontals to have something for the verticals to weld to. I like this more than cutting 8 foot sheets down but I'd have to do that for every sheet at one end or the other. I'd want pieces bigger than 8 feet so I can stagger port side from starboard side. If I'm already going with 12 foot pieces cut to length, it might be cheaper to get it in a 40 foot continuous and cut it somewhere off center.
I meant you doing the cut. You're already going to have the metal delivered I'm assuming so why not have it delivered and cut it yourself. Like I said I don't know if it's possible but I do understand that anything's possible with money... That money isn't all that common lol

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Steel is sold be weight, so order whatever fits your needs the best. I'm having mine sheared to the exact width I need. The scrap can be used for other things.
I've seen a person raise a roof based on having 4x8 sheets, but I'd rather just have it the way I want and get what I need cut.
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