Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-19-2017, 05:24 PM   #941
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,400
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid View Post
im not sure id want to try and skin the whole length of a raised section in one piece.. seems like if you were off even just a little bit ..it would cause issues.. in 8 feet or so you can correct for imperfections with each panel..
-Christopher
When I raised the roof on my Eagle 10 we skinned each side with 1 piece. PITA!!!!!! It looked great when we got done. As flat as Lubbock Texas.

Given the already lumpy exterior of my Bluebird it is NOT worth the trouble. I don't think that there is much advantage on a skoolie. You already have plenty of seams & rivets. I don't think a skoolie skinned with a single piece of steel on each side will look much better than one skinned with 3 or 4 pieces on each side.

Just my $0.02

PNW_Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 05:36 PM   #942
Bus Crazy
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 1,635
Year: 2000
Chassis: Blue Bird
Engine: ISC 8.3
I'm in the process of re-skinning my bus (25% finished). The roof metal is staying; 100% of the exterior walls are being re-covered. I didn't ask whether my supplier would slice off a 38 ft section from their coil; I just bought 10 ft sheets. I had thought about butt-welding them at home to make the 38 ft section.. I'm sure glad now that I didn't attempt it. IIRC the 16 gauge I'm using weighs around 100 pounds per 4x10 sheet. Four of those would be a lot to handle. Getting it into place without any "oil can" wrinkles would be.. impossible? Not to mention the distortion that happens due to shrinkage of MIG welded joints if it couldn't be had as a single continuous piece from the supplier.

On my bus, admittedly different rib spacing than a school bus, it worked out that two 10 ft pieces fit just right and the other two have to be trimmed a bit shorter. If the metal had only been available in 8 foot lengths things would have been very different. Much more waste. It's probably worthwhile to do the leg work to get 10 or 12 foot sheets.

By the way.. especially after a roof raise.. I'd make the conservative assumption that the bus isn't straight and go in with plans to cope with that reality. If it turns out that it really is straight that's an extra bonus.
family wagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2017, 08:43 AM   #943
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Per request here's most of the stuff I have of my roof raise.
a potato-vision vid I did with a crappy $20 cam before any mods-




My rib extension test piece












__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2017, 08:52 AM   #944
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15

















__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2017, 08:54 AM   #945
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15

__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2017, 08:55 AM   #946
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: 14623
Posts: 30
Year: 1986
Coachwork: International
Chassis: S1800
Engine: 9.0
Thanks eccb! It looks like u avoided the problem mudda earth had where the weight of the front engine causes the front cut to become a guge gap.

We have a dognose so I wonder how much shoring up we will need to do? I think to be safe one would need to slightly jack up the front end in most busses. I think I would support three different zones by creating proper craddels to support the frame near the rear, the drivers area, and the enginge. Basically the back of the bus and before and after the front cut, weather that at the bulkhead or one or two windows back.

Also looks like you used a very similar thread all system to mudda earth.

I'll check our your video later, thanks again!

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
5speedhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2017, 09:18 AM   #947
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
I stuck cribbage, bottle jacks, and jack stands under all four corners. I didn't jack it up, just supported it.
But you're right- we didn't experience any sagging. Everything stayed straight and true, everything went real easy.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2017, 06:23 AM   #948
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Got this in the mail and finally took it out to the bus to get started treating all the surface rust on the bare metal so we can get to painting.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2017, 06:36 AM   #949
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
So- yesterday eddie showed up ready to do some welding and fabrication.


Clouds immediately rolled in.




RYO was sunk down about two inches into the sand. The rains this summer caused it to settle in a bit.


Didn't get ANYTHING done. Ten mins after we got there it started raining and continued to pour all day. Damn it!
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2017, 09:08 AM   #950
Bus Geek
 
Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
It would be a REALLY good idea to get something under the tires to prevent settling. These beasts weigh enough that they can sink up to the axles pretty quickly on anything but concrete slabs. It will also keep the tires from rotting away as quickly.

Some 2 x 12's doubled up into a square will spread the load out enough for just about anything but quicksand or a swamp.

Just my dos centavos.
Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2017, 09:39 AM   #951
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 17,541
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
ugh.. well i guess im not the only one gettingrained out every day...

I think you need to drive that bus around the yard every week or so to keep it from sinking more.. dont want you to burn up your trans like dredman did... (anyone heard from him lately?)..

-Christopher
cadillackid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2017, 11:03 AM   #952
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Neither of mine seem to be able to get stuck in the ground they're parked on.
But I do park it on boards in the parts that are PURE sugar sand.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 10:47 AM   #953
Bus Geek
 
Brewerbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Njsurf73 View Post
I meant you doing the cut. You're already going to have the metal delivered I'm assuming so why not have it delivered and cut it yourself. Like I said I don't know if it's possible but I do understand that anything's possible with money... That money isn't all that common lol

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
NO, I plan on picking it up. There are 2 metal resellers in Balto within 3 miles of my house. There is a metal wholesaler in DE that's, ... I dunno, ... 60 miles from the bus. The bus lives on a military base so I dunno if I could get it delivered anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve View Post
When I raised the roof on my Eagle 10 we skinned each side with 1 piece. PITA!!!!!! It looked great when we got done. As flat as Lubbock Texas.

Given the already lumpy exterior of my Bluebird it is NOT worth the trouble. I don't think that there is much advantage on a skoolie. You already have plenty of seams & rivets. I don't think a skoolie skinned with a single piece of steel on each side will look much better than one skinned with 3 or 4 pieces on each side.

Just my $0.02
I like the idea of a single sheet for the extra structural support if nothing else.

I'll rivet it in place using the same rivet lines as the roof or as it currently is just for the looks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by family wagon View Post
IIRC the 16 gauge I'm using weighs around 100 pounds per 4x10 sheet. Four of those would be a lot to handle. Getting it into place without any "oil can" wrinkles would be.. impossible?

It's probably worthwhile to do the leg work to get 10 or 12 foot sheets.

By the way.. especially after a roof raise.. I'd make the conservative assumption that the bus isn't straight and go in with plans to cope with that reality. If it turns out that it really is straight that's an extra bonus.
The weight and lifting it in place is the biggest worry of using a single sheet.

I have an 8 foot even section from the very first rib (the start of the driver's window and the bi fold door) to the 2nd window. I have a 7 foot even section from the rear to the last two windows. From the 2nd window (after the 8 foot break, I have a rib at 18'6", 21' even and 28' even. Everything else measures something weird. The roof sheet metal (which I'm not going to monkey with) seems to be in 5 foot sections.

Shhhhh, ... my bus is perfectly straight and true. DO NOT ANGER THE BUS GODS!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
I've seen a person raise a roof based on having 4x8 sheets, but I'd rather just have it the way I want and get what I need cut.
I think the 4 foot width is going to be about right for me. If I do the roof and floor raise, that gives me 24" to play with. From that 24" I still have to account for overlap. I've been saying all along that I'd have a 3" overlap top and bottom which would be overkill. I'm not sure if I've measured that or not but looking at it the last time I was out, the roof to the side has at least a 3 inch overlap OEM. Bottom of the first rub rail would be +4". <-- Looks like I need to do some more measuring.
Brewerbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 11:21 AM   #954
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
A 4x8 is still gonna need to be sheared to be truly square and actually be 4x8.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 01:35 PM   #955
Bus Geek
 
Brewerbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
A 4x8 is still gonna need to be sheared to be truly square and actually be 4x8.
What the hell?!!? Really? Figured that was already done by the stack-full at the steel mill... where they can cut thru 137 sheets at a time.
Brewerbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:07 PM   #956
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob View Post
What the hell?!!? Really? Figured that was already done by the stack-full at the steel mill... where they can cut thru 137 sheets at a time.
They come roughly oversize a bit, and to make them actually square you have to shear them.
I've cut probably tens of thousands of sheets of steel and they can vary a lot.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:23 PM   #957
Bus Geek
 
Brewerbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
They come roughly oversize a bit, and to make them actually square you have to shear them.
I've cut probably tens of thousands of sheets of steel and they can vary a lot.
Well that sucks.
Brewerbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:29 PM   #958
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Not a big deal just ask the metal supplier to shear them square and to size. It won't take them too long.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:31 PM   #959
Bus Geek
 
Brewerbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
Not a big deal just ask the metal supplier to shear them square and to size. It won't take them too long.
Except it wouldn't need to be done if it came from the steel mill already sheared. Then all the scrap can go back in the pot and melted down again.
Brewerbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2017, 02:45 PM   #960
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,673
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob View Post
Except it wouldn't need to be done if it came from the steel mill already sheared. Then all the scrap can go back in the pot and melted down again.
Most of the sheets are being used as a whole sheet man. They're cut down to make stuff out of. If you need an exact sized, square sheet of steel you can't just order generic sheets.
__________________
.
Wear A Mask- Stop the Spread!
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Big Mac I bought for $500!!!!! M1031 Short-Bus Conversion Projects 110 09-23-2017 03:05 PM
Just bought a bus. What do y'all think?! hello_im_alex Conversion General Discussions 18 04-07-2012 08:41 AM
Just bought a bus!!!!! swinada Skoolie Conversion Projects 4 05-11-2009 08:45 AM
Bought a bus! Abbott Conversion General Discussions 0 07-07-2008 09:18 PM
i bought a bus...now what? abbs681 Everything Else | General Skoolie Discussions 4 07-20-2004 03:01 AM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.