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Old 11-18-2019, 09:26 PM   #41
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The biggest change might be the swing factor. I would go to a parking lot with a buddy and chalk on a stick and see what an extra 4' of tail does to the turning radius. And any steep grade transition it won't take much to drag a dovetail that is now levered out and down.



Youtube has some funny Russian videos of trucks making a turn on narrow roads and hooking a car in the other lane and dragging them along

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Old 11-18-2019, 09:28 PM   #42
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We Homebrew our fuel and prefer to run it as much as we can.

We've got some planned trips that will be over 1k miles and would like to make the majority of the drive without paying out the nose for fuel.
Hauling ~285 gal of home brew... The better part of $1000 worth of fuel from the pump...
I take it the HEUI system doesn't mind your homebrew?

I guess only the future will tell if that's a hobby I want to get into...

What do you figure your cost per gallon with homebrew?
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:34 PM   #43
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Hauling ~285 gal of home brew... The better part of $1000 worth of fuel from the pump...

I take it the HEUI system doesn't mind your homebrew?



I guess only the future will tell if that's a hobby I want to get into...



What do you figure your cost per gallon with homebrew?
My DT360 is all mechanical with a Bosch inline pump similar to the 12v Cummins.

It costs us roughly $.15 / gallon to batch our fuel.

We burn use waste petroleum oils (motor oil, atf, hydraulic oil, etc) centrifuged and thinned with gasoline in multi-tank systems. Startup, warmup, and shutdown always done on clean pump diesel.

I've ran over 1k gallons through our IDIs and several hundred through a Cummins. Only issues came up was before using multiple tanks. Cold starting on oil cokes the injectors quickly. Easy enough to pop the injectors out and clean the tips with a brass brush though if something goes wrong.

Look up WMO or black diesel for info.

The HEUI systems tend to like atf and hydraulic oil. Had a buddy who ran his 7.3 powerstroke on nothing but atf for years without a problem.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:41 PM   #44
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My DT360 is all mechanical with a Bosch inline pump similar to the 12v Cummins.

It costs us roughly $.15 / gallon to batch our fuel.

We burn use waste petroleum oils (motor oil, atf, hydraulic oil, etc) centrifuged and thinned with gasoline in multi-tank systems. Startup, warmup, and shutdown always done on clean pump diesel.

I've ran over 1k gallons through our IDIs and several hundred through a Cummins. Only issues came up was before using multiple tanks. Cold starting on oil cokes the injectors quickly. Easy enough to pop the injectors out and clean the tips with a brass brush though if something goes wrong.

Look up WMO or black diesel for info.

The HEUI systems tend to like atf and hydraulic oil. Had a buddy who ran his 7.3 powerstroke on nothing but atf for years without a problem.
Wow -- .15c a gallon vs $3.00 a gallon -- I know it's some work to make but that's a serious difference in cost.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:14 PM   #45
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Yup. Just need to check legalities in your area or choose to ignore them (what most do). In our area.. you can make "x" amount of gallons without tax but above that, you are supposed to submit paperwork and pay your road tax for the gallons used. Everywhere is different though.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:46 AM   #46
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Yup. Just need to check legalities in your area or choose to ignore them (what most do). In our area.. you can make "x" amount of gallons without tax but above that, you are supposed to submit paperwork and pay your road tax for the gallons used. Everywhere is different though.
Since I'm pretty sure I'm not close enough to do it (the only Goshen I know is in the promised land...)

I'd gleefully break those tax laws and help you cook the fuel in exchange for being able to buy some fuel at those kinda savings.

Regrettably I doubt I'd use enough diesel on my own to justify making my own.
But I love the idea of a bootleg fuel co-op to not fund 'big oil'.
It probably already exists somewhere -- I'm just not in that crowd...
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:05 AM   #47
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Oddly, it's not as expensive to get into as one would think. The main thing would be to research the engine you want to run alternative fuels in and make sure they'll handle it.

The beautiful part of the old mechanical engines is the cost of fuel system components. I could replace the entire fuel system (injectors and injection pump) with the savings in fuel from one full fill. These newer engines where injectors are $300+ each and labor intensive to change... Not worth it.
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Old 11-19-2019, 12:13 PM   #48
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Oddly, it's not as expensive to get into as one would think. The main thing would be to research the engine you want to run alternative fuels in and make sure they'll handle it.

The beautiful part of the old mechanical engines is the cost of fuel system components. I could replace the entire fuel system (injectors and injection pump) with the savings in fuel from one full fill. These newer engines where injectors are $300+ each and labor intensive to change... Not worth it.
Not to mention stuff like CAT that requires a visit to the dealer for programming
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