Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 09-05-2018, 10:21 AM   #1
Skoolie
 
PeteinSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 124
Year: 2006
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC FE 9 Window
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 29850
5.9 Performance In a 10 window

Hi All,

I want convert a short flat nose (9 or 10 window) and was looking at IC units with DT466 but there is a large number of ISB 5.9s for this size.

I am not moving in but creating an RV replacement for my slide in camper (currently on a 5.9 24v diesel pickup).

This will be moving more then parked so I am looking for driving performance for sorter road trips to National Parks etc.

Is a 5.9 good enough?

Also do these FE short buses ever have Allison 3060s (so I can get 6th gear)?

My thought is these 9-10 window units are lighter and might be happy with a 5.9...

Thanks in advance, Pete
PeteinSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2018, 10:31 AM   #2
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,333
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
Welcome Pete,

What year buses are you looking at? I have seen later model buses that size with the Allison 2000 (5/6 speed) series transmission but never a 3060.

I am sure that if a customer asked for the 3060 that the manufacturer would build it. Not sure why someone would spec a 3060 in a shorter bus though.
PNW_Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2018, 11:26 AM   #3
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 21,950
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve View Post
Welcome Pete,

What year buses are you looking at? I have seen later model buses that size with the Allison 2000 (5/6 speed) series transmission but never a 3060.

I am sure that if a customer asked for the 3060 that the manufacturer would build it. Not sure why someone would spec a 3060 in a shorter bus though.
I saw some buses like that with 5.9's and 3060's. Out in CO on Public Surplus.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2018, 12:23 PM   #4
Skoolie
 
PeteinSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 124
Year: 2006
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC FE 9 Window
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 29850
Nothing specific, just the short flat nose. They seem to be in the 2002-2005 range. Also I would like to avoid DPFs and such complications if possible.
PeteinSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2018, 02:22 PM   #5
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: topeka kansas
Posts: 719
Year: 1954
Coachwork: wayne
Chassis: old f500- new 2005 f-450
Engine: cummins 12 valve
Rated Cap: 20? five rows of 4?
5.9 my short bus

I have a 1954 ford short bus, just under 23 feet long - seven meters, I expect a weight of 11,000lbs - 5,000 kg

I am using a 5.9, six speed manual transmission 3.73 gears expected road cruise speed 65mph,105kph and turning 1875 rpm in 6th,

down shift to 5th at 65mph,105kph will give 2525rpm

cummins 12 valve hot rodded to 350hp , 260Kw and 800 ftlbs, 1084Nm

with all I have checked into and people that I have spoken with, videos I have watched, threads I have read and based on my own experience, I am expecting this to work to the tune of about 11mpg to 14 mpg or 20L to 25L per 100 kilometers.

william
magnakansas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2018, 07:56 PM   #6
Skoolie
 
PeteinSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 124
Year: 2006
Coachwork: IC
Chassis: IC FE 9 Window
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 29850
Hmm magnakansas,

You have me thinking 11,000 lbs?

I have limited my search to 8-10 window flat nose buses. They seem to have a GVWR of 30K (just like the big ones). My question is how much less is the empty weight of a 8-9 window bus vs a full 38-40ft bus?

Pete
PeteinSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2018, 09:47 PM   #7
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: topeka kansas
Posts: 719
Year: 1954
Coachwork: wayne
Chassis: old f500- new 2005 f-450
Engine: cummins 12 valve
Rated Cap: 20? five rows of 4?
really empty weight

Currently as it sits, my bus is 6,200 lbs. Two seats, full body, wheels, tires, brakes, one 30 gallon propane tank, empty fuel tank, no engine, no transmission, no radiators, no charging system at all, no air conditioning system at all, no fuel on board, The engine, bare is 1,000 lbs, transmission is expected to be 450 lbs, so that is up to 7,650 lbs add 700 lbs for seats, 8150lbs
add 300 lbs for air compressor, tanks, and other parts for the air ride system. 8450lbs 80 gallons of fuel 554lbs 9,000lbs ten people at 200lbs each 11,000 lbs

there is another fellow out there with a bus very very similar to mine same engine, same transmission.... he said the weight comes out to about 11,000 for him. The numbers seem to add up me.

keep in mind my is 1954. and bumper to bumper is 22 feet 9 inches.
magnakansas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2018, 09:57 PM   #8
Bus Geek
 
Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
I have yet to hit the scales...but, I am hoping to come in at about 8,000 or slightly less with my '46 Chevy 21 footer. Really not all that much there.
Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
10 window, 6th gear, isb 5.9

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×