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08-11-2011, 10:05 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Port angeles, Wa
Posts: 326
Year: 90
Coachwork: bluebird conventional
Chassis: international
Engine: dt466
Rated Cap: 72
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Automatic or standard
So how bout some opinions here? I have a 38 ft bluebird with a dt466 and 5 speed trans. I have no probs driving a stick, but my pettit wife will need to drive once in a blue moon and can't push the clutch. Eaton has a clutch kit that reduces pedal effort by 50% which she can push easily..
I also have all the parts I need to make this an automatic including an allison MT643.
With this senario, able to easily go either way what would you choose.
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08-11-2011, 10:52 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Automatic or standard
Stick everytime!
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08-12-2011, 12:56 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Whidbey Island, WA.
Posts: 1,109
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 3208 na boat anchor
Rated Cap: 2
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Re: Automatic or standard
I second the stick, though an automatic would be easier to sell (and drive).
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08-12-2011, 08:33 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,458
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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Re: Automatic or standard
I prefer automatic, I just retired from trucking, I have shifted enough in the last million miles thank you.
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08-12-2011, 09:01 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Cleburne TX
Posts: 692
Year: 2001
Chassis: International Amtran RE
Engine: DT466E/MD3060
Rated Cap: 78
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Re: Automatic or standard
Very few times I would want a standard but I would say automatic.
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08-12-2011, 10:33 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: from: Prescott, AZ currently: Denver, CO
Posts: 469
Year: 1992
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: All American RE
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Automatic or standard
I would say automatic is your best option for building a bus that needs to be driven by your wife.
Our bus is a 643 auto and my wife does need to drive it. Although there are some pros to a manual Just saying....
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08-12-2011, 10:42 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New England
Posts: 1,009
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Ward Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/MT643
Rated Cap: 77
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Re: Automatic or standard
My wife's best friend was able to drive my B-700, with its Spicer 5-speed and manual steering. Tina is 4'5" and all of 85lbs. Teach your wife to float gears...that way, the clutch isn't an issue!
My Genesis is an MT643...I wish it was a standard shift. I hate slushpumps.
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08-13-2011, 03:14 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Buffalo, New York
Posts: 191
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Bluebird, Model 3800
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 42
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Re: Automatic or standard
My vote is for a manual transmission. I like to be in control of where and how my power is getting to the road.
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08-14-2011, 01:59 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Cleburne TX
Posts: 692
Year: 2001
Chassis: International Amtran RE
Engine: DT466E/MD3060
Rated Cap: 78
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Re: Automatic or standard
I think one thing to take in to consideration is cost. I dont have any commercial vehicle experience but I know replacing a clutch vs an automatic and the miles they can do should be of some consideration? I guess I have had better experiences with automatics than standards.
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08-14-2011, 03:14 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,208
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: 3800 International
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Automatic or standard
drove both in same size trucks, its really to each is own, they both have there benifits, myself I like my automatic, Im lazy at times, one thing to remember if you are driveing down narrow roads in a 38 foot bus ,with lots of traffic and people , and traffice lights, and finding where your going,and 3 people in the back telling you where to go, your hands are as it is, let alone changeing gears and riding your clutch in heavy traffic. as well with the auto most everyone will drive, and its easyer to sell with a auto. im glad that I had a auto after this 8700km trip, I was in places where you had to do the 328 point turns, and stuck in slow moving 3 lane traffect. you get the picture.
anyway just my choice
gbstewart
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08-15-2011, 09:28 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Excelsior Springs, MO
Posts: 94
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: Chevrolet
Engine: 8.2L Detroit Diesel
Rated Cap: 54
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Re: Automatic or standard
Manual! Automatic is so boring, and I love being able to manually change gears for climbing hills rather than wait on the automatic to choose a gear.
-Adam
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07-22-2015, 09:16 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: in transit
Posts: 62
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International
Engine: dt466/5 speed spicer
Rated Cap: 72
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but you can't eat fried rice out of the carton with chopsticks and steering with your knees while driving standard!
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07-22-2015, 09:24 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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This ? will no doubt arouse some opinions.
Personally, I'll take a new generation auto any day.
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07-22-2015, 09:39 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,447
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slideforlife
but you can't eat fried rice out of the carton with chopsticks and steering with your knees while driving standard!
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the cops get mad at me when I text and drive in the school zone, and I get mad at myself for spilling my beer
I can't drive standard well anymore, spinal neuropathy down left side makes it difficult to operate clutch.
but, I sure miss it!
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07-22-2015, 09:57 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: in transit
Posts: 62
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International
Engine: dt466/5 speed spicer
Rated Cap: 72
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sorry to hear that. my roommate has that - got some relief when he used this:
Magnesium
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While the best sources of magnesium come from foods such as nuts, legumes, whole grains, dark green vegetables, and seafood. Magnesium supplements are readily available in most health food stores.
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07-22-2015, 10:03 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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It fully depends on the bus.
Flat nose need to be auto.
Dog nose, Type C can be either.
If getting a dog nose, I would get the standard over the auto unless it was a MD3060. Then I would choose the auto 3060.
If money will always be a issue, get a standard. Changing the oil in a MD3060 cost over $500 alone.
Changing a clutch in a standard is around the same cost and up.
Nat
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07-22-2015, 10:03 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Tomball, TX
Posts: 313
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC/2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9TA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
I can't drive standard well anymore, spinal neuropathy down left side makes it difficult to operate clutch.
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I'm gonna ask my oncologist about neuropathy tomorrow. All this glue scraping and grinding has my hands feeling worse than they did after chemo. If he tells me anything eyeopening I'll let you know.
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07-22-2015, 10:14 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Eastern Kentucky
Posts: 76
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I prefer standards myself. That's all I've ever owned, and the few times I've driven an automatic, not having control drove me nuts.
I've been driving since I was 11, and over the years I've driven just about everything with a motor, and did just fine. I'd second the recommendation to teach your wife to float gears. If she's like me, she'll have fun
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07-22-2015, 12:30 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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My grandpa bought me a go-cart when I was 4 years old. Two speed with an B&S 5.5 HP. Learned to glide gears and never looked back. If the option is there I go stick EVERY time. Unfortunately this society has gotten lazy over the years so the vehicles I have now are automatics. I miss my sticks.....
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07-22-2015, 01:52 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gonvick MN
Posts: 339
Year: 1975
Chassis: Gillig
Engine: Cat 3208t/10 speed transmission
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slideforlife
but you can't eat fried rice out of the carton with chopsticks and steering with your knees while driving standard!
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You can, it just takes practice.
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