Detroit 6v92

pengyou · 03-28-2019, 03:53 AM

Should I run away from buses with this engine? It is a two stroke....is it very fuel efficient? Easy to repair/overhaul? I am sure that all of the smog laws would prohibit it if it were a newly released engine. And it is at least 600 pounds heavier than some of then newer engines.

Ronnie · 03-28-2019, 06:08 AM

Good engine, easy to repair, often misunderstoud. Not many modern mechanics have worked on them. They tend to be noisy. Nicknamed "screaming jimmy". I like them but not for everyone.

pengyou · 03-28-2019, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Good engine, easy to repair, often misunderstoud. Not many modern mechanics have worked on them. They tend to be noisy. Nicknamed "screaming jimmy". I like them but not for everyone.

Noisy...probably because they are 2 stroke

Kubla · 03-28-2019, 06:22 AM

Good engine, just don't overheat it, 2 stroke diesel Detroit's are not like 2 stroke gas engines, they do not pull the charge through the crankcase and have exhaust valves

EastCoastCB · 03-28-2019, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pengyou

Noisy...probably because they are 2 stroke

Buses are noisy and inefficient. Embrace it.

Ronnie · 03-28-2019, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Buses are noisy and inefficient. Embrace it.

It has gone through my mind to stick a 6V-71 in the shorty.... with turbo up to 300hp.

EastCoastCB · 03-28-2019, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

It has gone through my mind to stick a 6V-71 in the shorty.... with turbo up to 300hp.

If you do can I PLEASE watch? I want a 2 stroke school bus BAD.

Willie_McCoy · 03-28-2019, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pengyou

Should I run away from buses with this engine? It is a two stroke....is it very fuel efficient? Easy to repair/overhaul? I am sure that all of the smog laws would prohibit it if it were a newly released engine. And it is at least 600 pounds heavier than some of then newer engines.

Personally I would prefer this engine to a lot of the newer stuff, very easy to work on once you understand how they work, all mechanical, super durable and resilient (as long as you don't overheat it as previously mentioned) parts are readily available nationwide. Sounds so so sweet, like a steel symphony.

What kind of a bus did you find it in?

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

If you do can I PLEASE watch? I want a 2 stroke school bus BAD.

I would love to see this! Found a thread on another site where a guy swapped a 671T into an old square crew cab Ford F350, was a crazy build, didn't fit under the hood, weighed as much as the rest of the truck. Just Awesome. I am getting a Crown and its like 75% for the Detroit.

Ronnie · 03-28-2019, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

If you do can I PLEASE watch? I want a 2 stroke school bus BAD.

I guess I will have to post some pics on the shorty when i get around to doing something with it. My wife is ready now to start on it....and I have been looking at engines for sale slowly....

You are certainly welcome to come up here and watch, might put you to work on it too.

pengyou · 03-28-2019, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

It has gone through my mind to stick a 6V-71 in the shorty.... with turbo up to 300hp.

If she had a set of wings, man, I know she would fly....

pengyou · 03-28-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie_McCoy

Personally I would prefer this engine to a lot of the newer stuff, very easy to work on once you understand how they work, all mechanical, super durable and resilient (as long as you don't overheat it as previously mentioned) parts are readily available nationwide. Sounds so so sweet, like a steel symphony.

What kind of a bus did you find it in?

I don't remember the models/makes but quite a lot of them from the 80's and 90's.

pengyou · 03-28-2019, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Good engine, easy to repair, often misunderstoud. Not many modern mechanics have worked on them. They tend to be noisy. Nicknamed "screaming jimmy". I like them but not for everyone.

How are they in terms of efficiency? ultimately mpg? compared to a cummins 8.3 or equivalent?

EastCoastCB · 03-28-2019, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

I guess I will have to post some pics on the shorty when i get around to doing something with it. My wife is ready now to start on it....and I have been looking at engines for sale slowly....

You are certainly welcome to come up here and watch, might put you to work on it too.

Sounds lovely, Ronnie.

Iceni John · 03-28-2019, 09:24 AM

I would never swap mine for anything else. I love all 2-stroke diesels - I was brought up in the land of Commer TS3s, Fodens and Napier Deltics *, so having my own 2-stroke now is just a natural progression for me! I get about 7.5 MPG on the open road, so no complaints there. My engine is rated at 277 HP at 2100 RPM, with 880 lb/ft of torque at 1400 RPM, but it can be easily turned up to over 300 HP if I wanted. It's just not as torquey as the big 14-liter Cummins 855s in Crown and Gillig tandems, but I still like it!

John

* PS - And if you're wondering, one of those engines is a 3-cylinder with six pistons and only one crankshaft (work that one out!), and another is an 18-cylinder with 36 pistons and 3 crankshafts, one of which rotates in the opposite direction to the other two . . .

PNW_Steve · 03-28-2019, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pengyou

How are they in terms of efficiency? ultimately mpg? compared to a cummins 8.3 or equivalent?

I had an 8v71 in my first bus and got a solid 7.25 mpg consistently.

My current bus has an 8.3 Cummins and gets 9-10 mpg.

joeblack5 · 03-28-2019, 11:11 AM

Wow. Over 900000 miles to its first overhaul that would be 100000 versus 120000 gallon in fuel.
So about $50000 in fuel savings with a 4 stroke.
No wonder that the technology was pushed forward.
Some new 2 strokes motorcycles have fuel injection ...wonder how efficient they are relative to 4 strokes. That is besides the pollution advantages of it. One wonders how turbines would have done in long haul busses.
In the Netherlands Philips drove employees around with stifling powered buses. Unfortunately they had an accident. The technology later was used in submarines and some automobiles but never really took of.
Oh by the way . The Germans developed diesel engines in long range bombers during ww2. ...not to mention they flew some turbine aircraft as well.

Later j

PNW_Steve · 03-28-2019, 11:34 AM

My father ran a trucking company back in the'70s. They had a prototype, turbine powered, semi tractor.

Unfortunately the fuel economy was poor. That was the death of the project.

Ronnie · 03-28-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joeblack5

Wow. Over 900000 miles to its first overhaul that would be 100000 versus 120000 gallon in fuel.
So about $50000 in fuel savings with a 4 stroke.
No wonder that the technology was pushed forward.
Some new 2 strokes motorcycles have fuel injection ...wonder how efficient they are relative to 4 strokes. That is besides the pollution advantages of it. One wonders how turbines would have done in long haul busses.
In the Netherlands Philips drove employees around with stifling powered buses. Unfortunately they had an accident. The technology later was used in submarines and some automobiles but never really took of.
Oh by the way . The Germans developed diesel engines in long range bombers during ww2. ...not to mention they flew some turbine aircraft as well.

Later j

Stifling powered? I assume a typo and you mean Stirling? Stirling engines just have such a low power density. Can not imagine them being able to be practical in anything other then stationary use.

cowlitzcoach · 03-28-2019, 01:58 PM

DD 2-cycle engines are very durable but as it has been pointed out fewer and fewer people really know how to work on them.

They are not as fuel efficient as most 4-cycle engines. In a motorcoach the fuel mileage with an 8V-92 and a Series 60 will go from 4-7 MPG to 6-10 MPG.

DD's will come in two different flavors--left hand and right hand turning versions.

The left hand turning engines will be in buses with a V-drive where the engine is mounted transversely in the rear of the bus.

The right hand turning engines will be in buses with a T-drive where the engine is mounted fore and aft parallel with the frame rails.

Most of the parts interchange but gears will be cut differently depending on what direction the engine was supposed to turn.

joeblack5 · 03-28-2019, 03:21 PM

Ronnie, yes a typo, in 2005 a Swedish stifling submarine sank the USS Ronald Reagan during a wargames.
Stirling engines are somewhat a pet of mine. In Dory we actual have a stirling cycle freezer that is more efficient then other technologies. We have two imported whispergen stirling combined heat and power generators that run on natural gas. To me the stirling principle is fascinating since it is reversible.
Anyhow sorry for interrupting this thread.
Later j

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