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Old 09-01-2024, 08:29 PM   #1
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Does every skoolie need new doors?

I bought a 2005 Blue Bird All American and will be picking it up next week.

I've seen some videos of the door and it looks like some of them have a lock built-in.

Is there a reason to custom build a door beyond the ability to lock it? Wishful thinking has me believing that mine will have a lock on the door already (seen a few A3REs show the lock in a pic/video I've seen) and wondering what the benefits of adding a custom door would be in such scenario.

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Old 09-01-2024, 09:08 PM   #2
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Best thing would be to fabricate a lock to work with the factory door. Visibility is mighty valuable out that big tempered glass door on your right. There are several threads here with solutions that look good. Search and read. Go through the old photo albums.
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Old 09-01-2024, 09:40 PM   #3
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My solution for locks - Post 21 of my build thread: https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f11/t...c-42584-2.html

You certainly don’t need to replace a door to get locking capability… Some folks replace doors to get better insulation or seals, but I kept my original door because I wanted to retain some of the ”bus” look.
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Old 09-02-2024, 05:29 AM   #4
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The locks on school bus doors are nearly worthless. It's usually still possible to pry the doors open with a crowbar. Their main function is keeping raccoons out, although I'm not confident the raccoons won't eventually figure out how to use a crowbar.

You don't have to replace the original doors. On my skoolie, I built an insulated bulkhead wall behind the driver's seat with its own door (and eventually lock), so the cab became essentially just a front porch and I don't care whether the original doors make a nice seal or not.
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Old 09-02-2024, 08:20 AM   #5
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every school bus factory lock ive seen is simply one dowel that goes into a hole at the top of the door frame.. it doesnt protrude a bunch.. ,aybe only 1/2 to 3/4" into the frame.. its not terribly hard to pull out on the bottom of the door and get in..



a friend of mine did it without even cracking a window.. we were out and he lost the keys to his bus... well we thought he did.. busses are easy to hoitwire so he figured if he could get in the bus we could wire it to run / drive.. we pulled out on the bottom of his bluebird door and it came right open.. then we found his keys.. inside my bus
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every school bus factory lock ive seen is simply one dowel that goes into a hole at the top of the door frame.. it doesnt protrude a bunch.. ,aybe only 1/2 to 3/4" into the frame.. its not terribly hard to pull out on the bottom of the door and get in..



a friend of mine did it without even cracking a window.. we were out and he lost the keys to his bus... well we thought he did.. busses are easy to hoitwire so he figured if he could get in the bus we could wire it to run / drive.. we pulled out on the bottom of his bluebird door and it came right open.. then we found his keys.. inside my bus
There are 2 reasons people replace their bus doors, and you'll need to weigh these reasons against your desire to keep the original doors.

Reason 1:
Insulation. Bus doors have a lot of wide cracks. Though this can partially be solved with adding additional rubber edging around inside of the doors. The glass and doors are still pretty thin however, and is a good source of temperature transfer into the bus (Hot or cold).

Reason 2:
Ease of entry. One of the iconic things about a Bus is the original bus doors, but it presents a problem for living in a bus. The swing arm that opens and closes the doors. However there's no easy way to unlock it, in swing arm's closed lock position, without going through the back emergency door which will be blocked by beds, and storage space once built out, you won't be able to unlock it from the outside.

By removing the swing arm contraption, it leaves two doors that are loose but tied together still by the rods above the doors. The Swing arm has to be removed, and then a custom lock can be added to hold the doors together. This is a lock you can use with rounded head bolts if you want a ready made type of lock. Or you can use bars to hold them together, plenty of youtube videos of people using this method with the bars.
https://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-M...92&sr=1-6&th=1

Opening the lock you can use hands or install a handle to more easily swing the doors open from the outside. (from inside you just push out to open).

I plan on keeping my original doors, and making an insulation pad and belcro that can fit in the door area when parked to resolve the insulation issues.

I also plan on keeping my iconic swing arm, but that presents an engineering challenge most people don't want to bother with or spend time to engineer a solution to unlock the swing from the outside. Whatever I come up with, I will definitely document how to do it for those wanting to keep the bus doors and the swing arm as I want to keep both.

But those are the two current valid and practical reasons to consider.
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Old 09-04-2024, 07:19 AM   #7
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There are 2 reasons people replace their bus doors, and you'll need to weigh these reasons against your desire to keep the original doors.

Reason 1:
Insulation. Bus doors have a lot of wide cracks. Though this can partially be solved with adding additional rubber edging around inside of the doors. The glass and doors are still pretty thin however, and is a good source of temperature transfer into the bus (Hot or cold).

Reason 2:
Ease of entry. One of the iconic things about a Bus is the original bus doors, but it presents a problem for living in a bus. The swing arm that opens and closes the doors. However there's no easy way to unlock it, in swing arm's closed lock position, without going through the back emergency door which will be blocked by beds, and storage space once built out, you won't be able to unlock it from the outside.

By removing the swing arm contraption, it leaves two doors that are loose but tied together still by the rods above the doors. The Swing arm has to be removed, and then a custom lock can be added to hold the doors together. This is a lock you can use with rounded head bolts if you want a ready made type of lock. Or you can use bars to hold them together, plenty of youtube videos of people using this method with the bars.
https://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-M...92&sr=1-6&th=1

Opening the lock you can use hands or install a handle to more easily swing the doors open from the outside. (from inside you just push out to open).

I plan on keeping my original doors, and making an insulation pad and belcro that can fit in the door area when parked to resolve the insulation issues.

I also plan on keeping my iconic swing arm, but that presents an engineering challenge most people don't want to bother with or spend time to engineer a solution to unlock the swing from the outside. Whatever I come up with, I will definitely document how to do it for those wanting to keep the bus doors and the swing arm as I want to keep both.

But those are the two current valid and practical reasons to consider.

not all busses have a "swing arm".. thiose are the manual doors.. my red nus has an electrically actuated door.. when the bus is running the electric cylinder opens and closes the door wit hsa dash switch.. when the bus is off there is a lever above the door which makes the doors swing freely.. I push them closed and lock it from the outside with the key.


when inside you use the electric to close it and leave the lever in "normal" mode and the door stays closed with the bus turned off..



another type are Air-doors.. similar concept to electric except the use air pressure.. issue with those is once your bus air system bleeds down the doors swing free even when inside the bus.. so you have to create some type of latch to keep it closed even when inside.
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Old 09-07-2024, 07:31 PM   #8
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I saw Skoolie years ago where the owner took the rear half of the door off it hinge and attached it to the front half and used it that way. He even installed deadbolt on the rear section
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Old 09-08-2024, 04:36 AM   #9
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One-piece door mod.

Had air doors and the cheesy Thule sliding lock made it down to Guate and was practically useless.

The shop welded the doors into one piece and disconnected the rear hinge and installed a deadbolt. The door rattled the deadbolt almost out on the return trip because the roads were terrible. I used a ratchet strap to take the pressure off the lock and it was better. I put in a chain from the door with a small chain binder for now but the one piece will need some additional mechanism to keep tension on the door while underway.

The only thing I miss is that my doors folded inwards, was easy to take a quick leak pulled over.
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Old 09-17-2024, 01:13 AM   #10
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Thanks for the tip!

I think after having driven the bus back home and getting some ideas, I will do something similar.

I will likely leave a couple windows behind the driver's seat, install some car bench seats there for extra passengers and put a wall behind it with a door and a lock.

I will build out the side emergency doors to be used as a regular door and keep the bus entrance pressurized.

Now to figure out if it'll hold pressure for any extended amount of time, although I don't see myself leaving it anywhere for days unattended.

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The locks on school bus doors are nearly worthless. It's usually still possible to pry the doors open with a crowbar. Their main function is keeping raccoons out, although I'm not confident the raccoons won't eventually figure out how to use a crowbar.

You don't have to replace the original doors. On my skoolie, I built an insulated bulkhead wall behind the driver's seat with its own door (and eventually lock), so the cab became essentially just a front porch and I don't care whether the original doors make a nice seal or not.
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Old 09-17-2024, 11:18 AM   #11
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Hope this give you some ideas:
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28555.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28556.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28557.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28558.html



I took my door of, too ordinary bed frame rails, 3 pcs, and bolted the door together.
My air closer still works to close the doors.
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Hope this give you some ideas:
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28555.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28556.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28557.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28558.html



I took my door of, too ordinary bed frame rails, 3 pcs, and bolted the door together.
My air closer still works to close the doors.
Certainly looks nice.
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Old 09-17-2024, 05:55 PM   #13
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Ooh that's clean indeed!
I'll take some inspiration from that, I'll have to figure out if my air door mechanism will work with a door that swings open like that, mine currently folds in half and opens inward, but I figure the mechanism itself is just merely adding pressure(?) so maybe it'll work anyway.



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Hope this give you some ideas:
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28555.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28556.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28557.html
https://www.skoolie.net/forums/membe...ture28558.html



I took my door of, too ordinary bed frame rails, 3 pcs, and bolted the door together.
My air closer still works to close the doors.
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