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Old 09-11-2020, 01:48 PM   #1
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Flat-nose vs dog-nose

Hi! I'm looking to purchase a bus and would like to know: flat-nose or dog-nose? What do you all prefer and why? Thank you!

The bus will be used for recreational trips (not living on it full-time) for a family of 4. We plan on exploring the country; nothing crazy as far as terrain goes. I appreciate your comments in advance! Thank you!
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Old 09-11-2020, 02:49 PM   #2
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Flat nose has more buildable floor space than a dog nose. Some say FE flat nose is hotter up front ( I didn't notice that). Some say the dog nose is easier to work on the engine, but I don't buy knowing I'm going to be doing a bunch of engine work. Flat nose takes a different technique while driving with the steer wheels behind you instead of in front of you.
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Old 09-30-2020, 12:38 PM   #3
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I drive for a school district that has conventionals, pushers, and activity coaches, and I can honestly say that I prefer driving the pushers (RE flat nose/transit). It does definitely take a little getting used to as far as turning, perspective, and reference point, because you are sitting right up against the corner with the turning wheels behind you rather than having 6-7 feet of hood in front of you... But it is a MUCH smoother ride (in my opinion anyway) and MUCH quieter because the engine is in the back. Building a motorhome you can even further isolate/soundproof the engine box and it would be pretty much silent inside.
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Old 09-30-2020, 02:16 PM   #4
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Hi! I'm looking to purchase a bus and would like to know: flat-nose or dog-nose? What do you all prefer and why? Thank you!

The bus will be used for recreational trips (not living on it full-time) for a family of 4. We plan on exploring the country; nothing crazy as far as terrain goes. I appreciate your comments in advance! Thank you!

Dognose has some advantages if you are going to be going off-pacement or anywhere where departure angle is important.


As has already been mentioned, the engine is much more accessible on a dognose


Flat FE (front engine) or RE (rear engine will have more buildable interior space) particularly the FE I think.


Flat RE is apparently queiter and cooler when driving (engine is all the way at the back of the bus. Engine is a little harder to work on I've heard and sometimes has cooling issues. Opens the possibility of big underbody storage bays.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:41 PM   #5
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i dont like using my legs for a front bumper
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:29 PM   #6
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My preferences

1. Mid-engine (Crown SC1) - Better looking than the rest. Better weight distribution Easy to work on (sides and top access). Can limit floor plan options.
2. Rear Engine - Engine noise mostly in rear and better under storage/compartment options
3. Front Engine - still more space than Dog nose but noisy up front.
4. Dog nose - More safe in front end collision but ugly.
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Old 09-30-2020, 09:31 PM   #7
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I've noticed all school buses on the road around me are dog nose type. I haven't seen any flat nosed except for one and it was an older IC. I guess the schools are going cheaper it seems. Many BB vision buses. Seems to be the most popular that I see.
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Old 09-30-2020, 10:07 PM   #8
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i dont like using my legs for a front bumper
I prefer to not crash
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Old 10-01-2020, 12:48 AM   #9
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I've noticed all school buses on the road around me are dog nose type. I haven't seen any flat nosed except for one and it was an older IC. I guess the schools are going cheaper it seems. Many BB vision buses. Seems to be the most popular that I see.
All of our pushers are older Thomas Saf-T-Liners with over 100k on them. They're mainly used for activities and such because they're 88 passenger. The main route fleet is much newer (Mine is a 2020 ) and all conventional 65 passenger Blue Birds. But like I said I love the pushers. When I eventually build something that'll be my platform.

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