Help! Roof fell during raise

[family wagon]

That's a great price for a crane. In my market I'd expect to be charged $200 for coming to the site and another $200 per hour.

[o1marc]

Originally Posted by family wagon

That's a great price for a crane. In my market I'd expect to be charged $200 for coming to the site and another $200 per hour.

Shouldn't take more than an hour lift it and secure it in about 8-10 spots before the crane is no longer needed, so $400, same rates around here.

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

For Nc especially on the beach area you can look into seaside crane.
They have a big boom truck and spreader bars. I will have there number and contact info for you tomorrow.
Another quick one would be Patterson pump out of Goldsboro.
And then the heavy hitter that is closer to you is Superior crane out of Bridgeton.
My work truck is in the shop today but I will have all of those contacts for you tomorrow afternoon.
The all thread rod method is sketchy to begin with pushing weight up at anything over 5-6"s in my opinion it is to soft and was really designed to support stuff in a sheer weight.
It is already a soft material and is even softer after welding/heating to bend or anything heat related.
If I had to use it in that application it be at least 3/4" black steel not galvanized.
Doesn't look that bad but if you do get a crane and the operator want the spreader bars ran through the windows and a third spreader on top I would want some kind of bracing in there to hold lid while I was in there pulling the spreaders through.
Dang I just finished a job in Elizabeth City last month and I carry a welding machine on my truck. Wish I was back there now?

[blissout]

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223

For Nc especially on the beach area you can look into seaside crane.
They have a big boom truck and spreader bars. I will have there number and contact info for you tomorrow.
Another quick one would be Patterson pump out of Goldsboro.
And then the heavy hitter that is closer to you is Superior crane out of Bridgeton.
My work truck is in the shop today but I will have all of those contacts for you tomorrow afternoon.
The all thread rod method is sketchy to begin with pushing weight up at anything over 5-6"s in my opinion it is to soft and was really designed to support stuff in a sheer weight.
It is already a soft material and is even softer after welding/heating to bend or anything heat related.
If I had to use it in that application it be at least 3/4" black steel not galvanized.
Doesn't look that bad but if you do get a crane and the operator want the spreader bars ran through the windows and a third spreader on top I would want some kind of bracing in there to hold lid while I was in there pulling the spreaders through.
Dang I just finished a job in Elizabeth City last month and I carry a welding machine on my truck. Wish I was back there now?

Yes I do wish you were back here now. When will you be back in East NC?

I'll make sure he puts a third spreader on top. I also have a hoist to prop it up on the inside.

Fingers crossed. She goes up tomorrow at 9am. I'll let you know how it goes

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

Originally Posted by family wagon

That's a great price for a crane. In my market I'd expect to be charged $200 for coming to the site and another $200 per hour.

I can get boom trucks that can handle that weight and reach for about 75$ an hour and the cranes average 150$ for me but we use them constantly.
But around here they charge there rate from the time they Mobilze until they get back to the yard.
OP. Call your local UNITED RENTAL or SUNBELT EQUIPMENT and price a 6000lb all terrain forklift with spreader or a boom truck for a day and let me know if it's cheaper.
If a weekend thing will work for you I have all the rigging except spreader bars.
Have been a forklift operator for over 20-yrs, haven't re-certified on a boom truck crane since 2008 but can still run one and have been a rigging certified competent person since 96. If scheduled for a weekend I can come help.
Your 4-hours away and I can't use my company truck, my personal truck would eat me in gas at 6-mpg but I can work all that out with a little notice.

[Jolly Roger bus 223]

Originally Posted by blissout

Yes I do wish you were back here now. When will you be back in East NC?

I'll make sure he puts a third spreader on top. I also have a hoist to prop it up on the inside.

Fingers crossed. She goes up tomorrow at 9am. I'll let you know how it goes

If you are getting a crane the you should get a crane operator and a rigger and if they need help then let them tell you how to help and let the rigger connect the shackles/slings if you have never messed with it before.
Not rocket science but insurance if anything mucks up.
They might decide to do the third spreader or the spreaders through the windows but I wouldn't like/agree with them putting the strap directly on a window rib?
They weren't designed for what we do with already but they definitely weren't designed to be 4-single lifting point.
Sure we would all love to have a crane to do a roof raise but we don't so the entire concept is still to spread the load out between lifting points.
Good luck,learn something new and instead of stressing have fun.

[Ronnie]

$400 for a crane is a bargain. That is a good way to go.

[ol trunt]

I think you have come up with the best solution. Years ago I set manufactured housing by crane (100 ton crane). The sections were 40' long and 12' wide and the crane crew always used a spreader with 3 pairs of lift points.

That said, if you really want to screw something up just get a bigger piece of equipment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6w8R--CQ3Q

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Jack

[Sleddgracer]

Originally Posted by ol trunt

I think you have come up with the best solution. Years ago I set manufactured housing by crane (100 ton crane). The sections were 40' long and 12' wide and the crane crew always used a spreader with 3 pairs of lift points.

That said, if you really want to screw something up just get a bigger piece of equipment:

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Jack

jeeezzzz, I hate it when that happens - lol

[Ronnie]

Ok someone is not checking their load chart......ooch

[o1marc]

I guess they haven't discovered outrigger supports yet.

[Biscuitsjam]

The last photo showing the second crane falling in is photoshopped.

[Native]

Please ignore ... computer froze in mid-post so I typed it again not knowing the first had posted.

[Native]

The first crane did not use outriggers but the second one sure did. They did not have them extended far enough for the distance of the load nor the weight of the load. I doubt the outriggers could have been extended far enough without using significant counter-balance. They were attempting a lift of over twice the outrigger distance. I would have liked to see the crane they used to pull out the green crane!

[CMORGANSKOOL]

2 people, two floor jacks and two T beams made out of 4x4. You can jack in tandem and screw the T to the inside of the roof with L brackets for extra support.

[ol trunt]

I found another link that shows 2 cranes in the water and a third getting ready for a dip. Although I can't find it now I seem to remember #3 going in as well.
Jack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OwNYIdJmlQ

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[blissout]

So I got it raised with a crane.

We strapped up the roof and picked it up, but we didn't pick it in the exact middle so it was all kinds of crooked. As the roof dangled in the air, we welded on 8 of the channels to the bus spaced apart (4 on each side).

Since it was leaning to the passenger side, we welded on the tops of that side first. Then we lowered the crane and the driver's side lined up and got welded.

It took all day 9 to 4 with a lunch break, but it's up and straight!

[o1marc]

So what was the bill for the crane?

[blissout]

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223

I can get boom trucks that can handle that weight and reach for about 75$ an hour and the cranes average 150$ for me but we use them constantly.
But around here they charge there rate from the time they Mobilze until they get back to the yard.
OP. Call your local UNITED RENTAL or SUNBELT EQUIPMENT and price a 6000lb all terrain forklift with spreader or a boom truck for a day and let me know if it's cheaper.
If a weekend thing will work for you I have all the rigging except spreader bars.
Have been a forklift operator for over 20-yrs, haven't re-certified on a boom truck crane since 2008 but can still run one and have been a rigging certified competent person since 96. If scheduled for a weekend I can come help.
Your 4-hours away and I can't use my company truck, my personal truck would eat me in gas at 6-mpg but I can work all that out with a little notice.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I called the rental companies before. They had a few forklifts, but no extenders, and none of the forklifts were available until Monday. I'm on a schedule, so I got a local crane (the only crane within an hour) and they got it done for me.

It was Gordon Crane in Elizabeth City. They were great to work with.

[blissout]

Originally Posted by o1marc

So what was the bill for the crane?

Ended up being 600 for 4 hours, which was more than I expected but I'm not upset about it. I wasted an hour not having the hat channel cut beforehand, so 100 of that is my fault for being lazy yesterday. They did a great job.