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05-02-2019, 03:04 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Elizabeth City, NC
Posts: 47
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Freightliner/Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126
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Help! Roof fell during raise
I was raising the bus up 14" using the L-bracket-allthread method and the roof feel over as we were raising it. I have calls out to a few rigging companies, but none are in my immediate area.
This is like the worst thing that could happen. What are my options besides getting a crane operator to pick it up as we weld on the new hat channel?
My back up raise method is the "red neck roof raise" using 4 farm jacks, but there's only 3 in my area and they're 100 each.
Any ideas?
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05-02-2019, 05:45 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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Set up an "A" frame on each side with a beam across above the bus and hoist from that. Need two of them. could be made of wood, but would have to be good size beams with bracing or ground anchors to keep it in place.
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05-02-2019, 05:52 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Elizabeth City, NC
Posts: 47
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Freightliner/Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126
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Hoist with what?
So you're suggesting I build a wooden frame around the bus in front and back?
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05-02-2019, 05:53 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,995
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blissout
I was raising the bus up 14" using the L-bracket-allthread method and the roof feel over as we were raising it. I have calls out to a few rigging companies, but none are in my immediate area.
This is like the worst thing that could happen. What are my options besides getting a crane operator to pick it up as we weld on the new hat channel?
My back up raise method is the "red neck roof raise" using 4 farm jacks, but there's only 3 in my area and they're 100 each.
Any ideas?
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Can you add a pic of the aftermath? Knowing exactly how the roof ended up might help with figuring out how to fix it.
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05-02-2019, 06:03 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Elizabeth City, NC
Posts: 47
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Freightliner/Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126
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One of the welds on the angle brackets failed, but it was going up crooked at the time anyway.
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05-02-2019, 06:06 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Elizabeth City, NC
Posts: 47
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Freightliner/Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126
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05-02-2019, 07:36 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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Yes a wooden frame outside that you can use a come-a -long from to hoist it. Would need several, one at each corner. You could do it from inside as well then you would use jacks. The farm jacks NO. That would be a good way to get into a real mess.
Scafolding on the inside would be a stable platform to raise it from as well. This would most likely be the easyest.
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05-02-2019, 07:44 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 209
Year: 1986
Coachwork: Blueburd
Chassis: International S1800
Engine: 9.0L International Diesel NA
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Hope no one was injured! That must have beeterrifying. g.
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05-02-2019, 07:59 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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Thinking about this some more..... is it even safe to be inside at this point?
So two bucks( sections) high each side outside with scaffolding then run a 6x6 across just under the windows. Front and back. This would be to prevent it from further coming down. Then another beam next to the first one could be used to jack it, and as it is jacked up crib the first beam higher as you go in order to keep any possible falling distance as short as possible.
This way no one needs to be inside, and it gives some real security so once fully in position it would be safe to be inside to weld.
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05-02-2019, 09:00 AM
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#10
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Alternative option - a couple forklifts with extra long forks. Could use thick boards to extend the forks (but not more than a couple feet).
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05-02-2019, 09:39 AM
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#11
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Central Tx.
Posts: 1,951
Year: 1999
Chassis: Amtran / International
Engine: DT466E HT 250HP - Md3060
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I raised a roof for a friends bus a few months ago and used a technique which I'll call a hat channel slider.
It is quite simple and quite safe with respect to ensuring the roof doesn't fall on you.
Here is the link to the post I made
http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f10/ro...der-24890.html
Here is the link to the youtube video. I basically copied what this guy had done.
Fast forward the video to the 5 minute mark...
By having the square tubing inside the hat channel, that creates a slide if you will and helps prevent the roof from shifting and falling out.
Looking at your pics It shouldn't be too much trouble to correct the fall and and then install the square tubing in the hat channel.
Good luck!
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05-02-2019, 10:39 AM
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#12
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blissout
I was raising the bus up 14" using the L-bracket-allthread method and the roof feel over as we were raising it. I have calls out to a few rigging companies, but none are in my immediate area.
This is like the worst thing that could happen. What are my options besides getting a crane operator to pick it up as we weld on the new hat channel?
My back up raise method is the "red neck roof raise" using 4 farm jacks, but there's only 3 in my area and they're 100 each.
Any ideas?
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my first thought would be to set up two of the tripods in this picture - I use the tripod for a variety of things - in the picture we were setting up to remove the roof of the J5 so we could R&R the motor and transmision
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05-02-2019, 10:53 AM
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#13
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,227
Year: 1935
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: Chevy
Engine: 317 ci/tid / Isuzu
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This line concerns me "One of the welds on the angle brackets failed". Did the weld itself fail or was it torn from the roof sheet metal? If the weld actually failed I'd suggest you find a qualified someone else to do the rest of the welding.
Jack
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05-02-2019, 11:12 AM
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#14
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
This line concerns me "One of the welds on the angle brackets failed". Did the weld itself fail or was it torn from the roof sheet metal? If the weld actually failed I'd suggest you find a qualified someone else to do the rest of the welding.
Jack
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The threaded rod method I've seen doesn't require welding anything to the roof sheet metal. they are welded to the ribs. You might try sticking 4 x 4 x 12 under the roof and use 4 jacks to jack it up with 4 x 4 poles to take up the space between the jack and boards.
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05-02-2019, 11:20 AM
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#15
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad_SwiftFur
Alternative option - a couple forklifts with extra long forks. Could use thick boards to extend the forks (but not more than a couple feet).
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I like that idea but forklifts can be a little tough to find in a pinch.
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05-02-2019, 11:24 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,227
Year: 1935
Coachwork: Superior
Chassis: Chevy
Engine: 317 ci/tid / Isuzu
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o1marc, the point is did the welds fail. If so-----
Jack
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05-02-2019, 11:30 AM
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#17
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
This line concerns me "One of the welds on the angle brackets failed". Did the weld itself fail or was it torn from the roof sheet metal? If the weld actually failed I'd suggest you find a qualified someone else to do the rest of the welding.
Jack
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YEah you wana make sure those welds hold.
OP any pics of the welds?
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05-02-2019, 11:33 AM
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#18
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ol trunt
o1marc, the point is did the welds fail. If so-----
Jack
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Agreed
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05-02-2019, 01:43 PM
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#19
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 1,635
Year: 2000
Chassis: Blue Bird
Engine: ISC 8.3
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That looks like no trouble at all to recover. Go to a local tool rental and get some scaffold for a week. Set it up inside the bus and use nat_ster's scaffold method. He stopped participating on the site quite some time ago, but you can find pictures of his method there. The method consists of erecting a scaffold at each end and raising it by using the screw type leveling feet with the scaffold.
Things will be a little sketchy at first until a scaffold is erected at each end of the roof. Maybe throw some 2x4 through the window openings cross-wise so that if the roof should fall further while people are inside its fall will be limited. Could also bring other weight-bearing objects inside to help carry the weight should it fall further.. several A-frame ladders, really tall saw horses, etc.
After you have it stabilized and raised so it's not sitting on the posts anymore you'll find that the roof can be shifted sideways into position without much effort. It probably can be done manually, but straps, come-along, or other means could be used too.
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05-02-2019, 03:35 PM
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#20
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Elizabeth City, NC
Posts: 47
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Freightliner/Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126
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That sounds super complicated honestly.
I called a rigging company and they're saying they can pick it up from the middle with a crane that has 18ft expanders. Then we'll just weld on the new hat channel while it's in mid air.
Now that I'm doing it this way, it seems like by far the fastest way to raise a roof. It's costing me 400 bucks, but if you do the redneck roof raise it ends up being about the same price for the farm jacks.
Had anybody else used a crane for their raise?
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