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09-08-2020, 07:03 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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How are you experienced sorts struck by a Thomas, 2001 with...
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09-08-2020, 08:37 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: California, Bay Area
Posts: 753
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Originally Posted by TomDPerkins
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What makes you suspect it is governed at 45?
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09-08-2020, 08:44 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,487
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
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Did you drive it?
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09-08-2020, 08:53 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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EDIT I'll figure this comment system out yet.
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09-08-2020, 08:54 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet
Did you drive it?
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Not yet. I have a mechanic looking at it Friday.
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09-08-2020, 08:55 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dzl_
What makes you suspect it is governed at 45?
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Read in a school bus manual from VA they were governed to 45mph. I don't think that's still true.
But I dunno.
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09-08-2020, 09:06 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 441
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas x2
Chassis: HDX/MVP ER
Engine: CAT 3126 x2
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13 window should be about 36 feet, bumper to bumper.
What county is it from? VA counties rarely actually remove the names off the sides of the buses, just paint over them. Some of these pictures look familiar too, there's a dealer in Ruckersville that sells VA buses.
45 mph doesn't sound right for a VA bus, they were generally governed to 55 mph with low gearing (in the neighborhood of 6.25). This was to state law allowing a school bus to travel no faster than 55, recently 60 or 65 mph, on the highway.
Pictures seem to suggest this is a low roof MVP, potentially a ex-Loudoun County bus if its from M&M salvage. A ex-Loudoun bus can generally be identified by the warning lights and stop sign already removed, presence of a hubmeter, and the district name and bus number being heavily spray painted out in black.
How bad of a mismatch in mileage? If it is a Loudoun County bus, they were not fitted from new with hubmeters, those were added within the last 7 or so years of the bus's service life. Many buses were retired with around 123k, but not because of old age. Many were retired because of rust damage or a mechanical failure that doesn't stop the bus from running and driving.
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09-08-2020, 09:30 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,034
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomDPerkins
Read in a school bus manual from VA they were governed to 45mph. I don't think that's still true.
But I dunno.
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Never heard that about VA and I have skoolie friends up there. NC limits bus speed to 45.
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09-09-2020, 07:29 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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Would you generally regard the rust damage as being prohibitive for a skoolie? And what kind of mechanical failure? AC?
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09-09-2020, 08:22 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,951
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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Many counties here in Virginia retire the buses based simply on age. Manassas city schools retire them at 15 years. The shorties are governed about 55, and the rest are governed at 62.
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09-09-2020, 09:49 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eastern Shore of VA and Fleming County, KY
Posts: 151
Year: 2004
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner
Engine: CAT 3126E210
Rated Cap: 33,050 pounds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomDPerkins
Read in a school bus manual from VA they were governed to 45mph. I don't think that's still true.
But I dunno.
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Hah! If this was ever true, I'm sure bus barns defeated that mess quickly.
All my life, school busses around here have gone 60MPH, and are frequently driven that fast. Keep in mind, there's no road in the county with a speed limit higher than 55MPH, so why they drive 60MPH full of kids boggles my mind.
I'd expect to find busses capable of 55-60MPH, depending on location. A bus governed to 45MPH would be a serious impedance to the smooth flow of traffic.
Good luck!
Jim
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09-09-2020, 12:12 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 4,822
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomDPerkins
Would you generally regard the rust damage as being prohibitive for a skoolie? And what kind of mechanical failure? AC?
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It's not clear how much rust damage the bus you posted has. There is clearly some in the step well, but that's fairly normal. Do you have any additional pics?
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09-09-2020, 12:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 9,364
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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With that transmission it is highly unlikely to be governed that slow. Likely a much higher top speed IMHO.
The worst rust issues will be hidden under the plywood floor, no way of "knowing" how bad it is until you look. But rust in other areas pretty much tell you the floor will be worse.
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09-09-2020, 05:23 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
It's not clear how much rust damage the bus you posted has. There is clearly some in the step well, but that's fairly normal. Do you have any additional pics?
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I have no further pictures showing rust. If the mechanics' report comes back otherwise OK I will go see the sucker. Then I will have lots of pictures.
Anything I can do short of tearing up the floor to get a look at the middle of the floor? For example from under the bus?
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09-10-2020, 02:21 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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So never have seen it myself yet...
...but I got the mechanic's report early.
He described the rust as light and patchy.
I think I'll get it. It drove ok. No plates, so he only drove it around the (large) lot, but he said it shifted ok.
Plunge. Taken.
(well, pretty much)
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09-17-2020, 07:41 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomDPerkins
...but I got the mechanic's report early.
He described the rust as light and patchy.
I think I'll get it. It drove ok. No plates, so he only drove it around the (large) lot, but he said it shifted ok.
Plunge. Taken.
(well, pretty much)
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Congrats on getting the bus! We are also in VA and I lurk on here dreaming of getting a bus. So far we have refurbished a TT and want to work our way up to a skoolie as soon as we have a good understanding of VA registration and can find a place to insure it FULL COVERAGE. So far I think Allstate and National are the only options there. If you are close to Norfolk and want some help or advice on rust removal / replacement panels I can assist.
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09-17-2020, 08:16 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 18
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas RE
Engine: 3126B
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It's a simple matter for a Cat dealer to change the setting in the bus's computer. They changed mine from 60 to 99 and charged me about $50.
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09-17-2020, 10:04 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,218
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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I live in VA and I can tell you there largely seems to be no rhyme or reason to governed speeds here, more than likely there is no state reg or rule and each county or municipality makes their own determination. Not that it matters, most are geared fairly low unless it's a rural area with a bit of cruising between stops. The route I was on for most of my middle/high-school years wasn't one of them though, so I really don't know what the governed speed was back then. I know the bus would do 55 on the main highway... I don't recall being in one on the interstate.
However, as I recall, Chevrolet / GMC chassis were the same from about 69-82, and we pretty much had those until I graduated school. These were 366 gassers with 4-speed Spicers and hydraulic brakes. Our county's fleet bought its first new bus in years around 1990 or so, which was also its first diesel, its first auto, and its first air-brake.
My guess would be that cities likely govern their route buses at 45, activity buses at 60-62, and rural counties probably govern theirs at 60-62, because they usually don't have the budget for activity buses. Just my $0.02.
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09-18-2020, 05:05 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 441
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas x2
Chassis: HDX/MVP ER
Engine: CAT 3126 x2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JodyandRenee
Congrats on getting the bus! We are also in VA and I lurk on here dreaming of getting a bus. So far we have refurbished a TT and want to work our way up to a skoolie as soon as we have a good understanding of VA registration and can find a place to insure it FULL COVERAGE. So far I think Allstate and National are the only options there. If you are close to Norfolk and want some help or advice on rust removal / replacement panels I can assist.
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State Farm was willing to insure my bus as long as all the seats were removed from the bus, decals and lights covered or removed, and stop sign was removed. But they will require a very clean driving record, my policy was denied because there was a claim on my record that ultimately shouldn't have been there.
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10-17-2020, 03:07 PM
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#20
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 55
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I've started a project thread here.
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