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04-01-2007, 01:39 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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How noisy is your bus when you frame with wood.
I am not looking for a Rolls Royce, but creaks, rattles, squeeks that can be avoided drive me nuts. When I picked up the bus, the clock rattled. I fixed that (temporarily) with a gum wrapper. All the crap that was in the bus made lots of noise. I only made it home because I told myself this was not permanent. I talk to myself sometimes, OK, I talk to myself all the time. Happy now. So how much noise comes from the walls, counters, etc. that are made with wood? Has anyone used aluminum?
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04-01-2007, 02:04 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 529
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International
Engine: 7.3 International diesel
Rated Cap: 60
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I've thought about the same thing. I've been going through my bus and eliminating all of the rattles. It's mainly the windows and the emergency windows in particular. When I start building, I'm going to bu using a lot of liquid nails and wood glue. I LOATHE squeaks and rattles. I'd imagine that aluminum would make more noise than wood. Use lots of glue, nails and sealant and you should be able to keep the noise to a tolerable level.
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04-01-2007, 03:26 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Saint James, MN
Posts: 2,669
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I agree. The noise in my bus is not from the stuff I did, but rather from the factory stuff. Those bodies flex a lot by design and you're going to hear it. Liquid Nails is like magic, but your best bet is going to be to build stuff so it can easily move the little bits that it needs to silently if you want it to be quiet. Being less dense and rigid that aluminum means that wood should be quieter. It has insulating properties. Many speaker cones, on the other hand, are made from aluminum because it transmits sound waves so well. Just some food for thought.
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04-01-2007, 09:30 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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So if I hook up speaker wires to aluminum framing, I'll have one big speaker?
I have never ridden in a converted school bus before. I just thought all that wood would make lots of noise.
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04-01-2007, 11:47 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: near flint michigan
Posts: 2,657
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i'm opposed to carpet in my skoolie....but i do have to admit that putting carpet and pad in my first bus made things way way quieter!
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04-01-2007, 12:09 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 1,839
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I am certain that all of the wood in my bus makes it quieter and probably stiffens all the long factory metal. I have a few things that squeek when driving but the vast majority of the noise come from the engine, windows, and wind noise.
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04-01-2007, 09:26 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 704
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Turn up the radio!!
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04-01-2007, 11:02 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Illinois
Posts: 381
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... WHAAAT ??? I CAN"T HEAR YOU.... I'VE GOT THE RADIO TOO LOUD ...
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04-02-2007, 02:54 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 472
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: 7.3 diesel
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My little bus isn't too noisy at all and most of my metal panels are still visable and my floor is still only plywood. But I also drive a school bus about once every other week on saturday or sunday for different school trips or church groups so maybe I am just used to the sound inside the bus.
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04-02-2007, 03:00 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 1,839
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Its not as noticable until your passengers decide they would like to watch a DVD on the tv and end up having to turn the volume up all the way just to hear the movie over the engine and road noise.
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04-02-2007, 08:15 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Rossland BC, Canada
Posts: 433
Year: 1985
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: 366 propane
Rated Cap: 56
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I found when framing to make sure the wood studs did not touch the ceiling causes far less (if any) squeaks. I learned this after going all the way up on the first conversion. It drove me crazy with all the squeaking coming from where the walls met the roof  . And throwing down a few rubber backed small carpet peices help with driving noise, and the dogs appreciate it also.
-Richard
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04-02-2007, 08:22 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 472
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: 7.3 diesel
Rated Cap: 14
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Thats a good point steve. Now that I think about I don't even turn on the am/fm radio's while driving a school bus or any bus for that matter. I often do the ear clip on the right ear in a bus for tunes. I did look up the law by the way and it is legal to do that in one ear only.
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04-06-2007, 11:23 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rockies
Posts: 34
Year: 1985
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: International S1800
Engine: 9.0L Diesel
Rated Cap: 54
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My plan is to place a thin rubber gasket material between the wood and the metal when I screw down the headers and footers to my walls. This should give me some flexibility between the two stiff layers: Metal & Wood.
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04-06-2007, 02:30 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Saint James, MN
Posts: 2,669
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That's not a bad idea. I've done a similar thing on just about every vehicle I've owned. Plastic dashboard material just doesn't deal well with drastic changes in temperature and humidity and it starts to squeak which drives me nuts. My solution? Disassemble the dash and put those little felt self stick circles between every panel. You'd think they would do it from the factory....I think your idea to use rubber should work equally well since you're dealing with parts on a much grander scale.
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