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Old 01-19-2016, 03:01 PM   #1
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How to tell what engine/transmission

Hi all,

I found a bus I am interested in and it is only 2000 miles away. The owner can only tell me that it has an International engine and Allison auto transmission. Is there way he can tell what engine/trans it has...like a plate or something. If he can do that, he can email me pics of them so I can see what it is.

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Old 01-19-2016, 03:58 PM   #2
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Should be a plate on both engine and transmission with all the info you need.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:13 PM   #3
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In addition to the plates on the engine and transmission, there probably also are plates in the cabin with at least serial numbers. Somebody here could probably recognize the format of Cummins, International, CAT, Allison etc numbers; knowing the make and the number you can probably get more info online or over the phone from dealers.

In Blue Birds there are usually two plates on the front bulkhead near the passenger door with that info, and another plate above the driver with such info as VIN and GVW. I don't know whether/where other makes may have similar plates.
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:10 PM   #4
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Thank you for the help. Have requested pics of the plates.
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Old 01-19-2016, 06:43 PM   #5
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Its 99% likely that its the DT466. I'd bet money on it, if I had any.
It will have the 643 tranny.
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Its 99% likely that its the DT466. I'd bet money on it, if I had any.
It will have the 643 tranny.
How can you guess this by what info the OP has given you which is nothing. You don't even know the year. 99% of the buses don't have DT466 engines and a 643. My bus from Tennessee has a DT466 and the ever so wonderful AT545 transmission. There are many buses with the 444E.

To the OP, if someone that is 2000 miles away can't take the time to find out info that you want, I would pass on the bus. He doesn't have the only bus for sale.
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Because he PM'ed me about the bus with the listing. Its a 92 Ward Senator. High headroom, underside storage bins, retarder, its RAAAADDDDDD. And compared to what buses are selling for these days its a STEAL. If the OP doesn't want it I'll definitely try to scrape up the money for it.
Real bargains are found when the buyer knows what they're looking for and the seller doesn't know what they have.

The op is wise not to publicly share that listing as I think one of the MANY lurkers would snap it up in a heartbeat.
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Because he PM'ed me about the bus with the listing. Its a 92 Ward Senator. High headroom, underside storage bins, retarder, its RAAAADDDDDD. And compared to what buses are selling for these days its a STEAL. If the OP doesn't want it I'll definitely try to scrape up the money for it.
Real bargains are found when the buyer knows what they're looking for and the seller doesn't know what they have.

The op is wise not to publicly share that listing as I think one of the MANY lurkers would snap it up in a heartbeat.
EastCoastCB is correct. It's a crazy story, but one I even the cynic in me believes. Should have my answer within a day or two. Hoping all is right and I will be it's new owner after that!

Thanks for all the help!
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:06 PM   #9
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I purchased my bus in Oklahoma. Not quite so far as 2000 miles from New England. If you're not looking for a short bus (harder to come by) then add OK to your craigslist search. Out of the rust belt! There's a lot of busses for sale in that state.

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Old 01-21-2016, 08:14 PM   #10
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maybe this helps
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:20 PM   #11
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hmm... Just fooled around with photobucket to get that photo up, got it posted and realized that this is not the thread that I started a few weeks ago, asking the same question... so while I have you guys here, that photo is from my 93' Blue Bird Transmission. it only does about 63mph and I'm hoping I can get more out of it.
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The thing you're calling "transmission" is actually called "differential." Sometimes it's called "third member" assuming it's the kind where the carrier and gears drop out of the housing as an assembly.

The "4 78" means the gear ratio, which is the number of turns the driveshaft makes for every turn the axles/wheels make, is 4.78. I found a table there which lists the 029CA104 part number with the following suffixes: 5X=4.33; 7X=4.56; 1X=4.78; 2X=5.57; 3X=6.50; 4X=7.17. This matches the data on your tag.

First question is this: is your speed limited by engine power, or by a governor limiting engine RPM? If the latter you could swap your gear set for the 5X or 7X part with 4.33 or 4.56 ratios and get more speed out of the same engine RPM. But if your speed is limited because the engine is already giving all it has to give, I think changing gears would give worse acceleration and no gain in top speed. Might even be worse..?
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ASK THE ENGINE COLOR...........EACh ENGINE maker uses a different color.
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ASK THE ENGINE COLOR...........EACh ENGINE maker uses a different color.

The engine will be blue. It's an International.
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The engine will be blue. It's an International.
Good afternoon. What color was detroit cause mine has never seen paint and while I am under the hood I would like to clean it up a bit.
I am probably going to use some high heat silver that I love and use on my steam piping all the time and have several leftovers that the men give up on? I can complain about waste but not really if I have a use for it and the company buys it as needed. The leftovers are because my welder's and fitters have to paint there own install and at that point there ready to move on to the next one. My older men always like to see there work painted but there the ones that move on and get there heads together on the next one and the younger men these days hate painting pipe because they are getting paid to weld or fit. They get paid the same either way but they complain?
Sorry didn't Meen to ramble on??? What is detroit s color? 86 8.2 in a ford b-700 there is none on my engine and would like to clean it up
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Good afternoon. What color was detroit cause mine has never seen paint and while I am under the hood I would like to clean it up a bit.
I am probably going to use some high heat silver that I love and use on my steam piping all the time and have several leftovers that the men give up on? I can complain about waste but not really if I have a use for it and the company buys it as needed. The leftovers are because my welder's and fitters have to paint there own install and at that point there ready to move on to the next one. My older men always like to see there work painted but there the ones that move on and get there heads together on the next one and the younger men these days hate painting pipe because they are getting paid to weld or fit. They get paid the same either way but they complain?
Sorry didn't Meen to ramble on??? What is detroit s color? 86 8.2 in a ford b-700 there is none on my engine and would like to clean it up
I'm not sure but here are some pictures.

https://www.google.com/search?q=detr...w=987&bih=673#
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So, what I found on the engine was: C185TF....google is not very helpful here.

185 hp engine? If so, which one?

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So, what I found on the engine was: C185TF....google is not very helpful here.

185 hp engine? If so, which one?

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International T444e.
185 HP.

I dident think they made them in that hp.... Learn something new everyday.
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this is going to sound dumb, I currently have 2 buses, one has a 190 hp dt466e, one a TE444 at 190 hp, both have the at545, the DT466 does not work well with it, the TE444 does
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