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08-27-2020, 08:46 PM
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#21
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 20
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These are the ones I got from Amazon. Have two cameras that can be setup a couple ways. One a backup triggered and one static or both static and switch between them. Has night vision and very small. Easy to plug and play wire.
Rohent HD Dual Backup Camera Kit 7 Inch Monitor Hitch Driving Rear View High-Speed Observation System for RVs,Trucks,Trailers, Campers,5th Wheels Super Night Vision Waterproof IP69K -R4
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08-28-2020, 08:25 PM
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#22
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 46
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A camera mounted on the back of the bus high near the roof will give you a birds eye view of your car and behind it while you are driving and while you are backing up.
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08-28-2020, 09:28 PM
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#23
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Suburbs of Winterset, OH
Posts: 818
Year: 2005
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Mercedes 6.4L
Rated Cap: just the 2 of us
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I'd like to install 2 cameras, 1 facing front, the other to the rear...and have them both constantly record everything. They could be on a relatively short loop...say just a couple of hours after which they would record over the previous images. That way, if I'm ever involved in a accident, I'd have the best witness. (maybe)
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08-28-2020, 09:35 PM
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#24
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,823
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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for 2 cameras I have the Blackvue 900 2 channel.. it does use a wired rear camera vs wireless. which could be a drawback if you arent installing it during the rough-in phase of your conversion. . buts its resolution is fantastic
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08-29-2020, 01:51 AM
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#25
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,047
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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This just arrived today, 4 camera wired system for full coverage all around with 10" split screen and built in dvr. Hopefully I will have time his week to start putting it all together.
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08-29-2020, 02:19 PM
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#26
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,118
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
This just arrived today, 4 camera wired system for full coverage all around with 10" split screen and built in dvr. Hopefully I will have time his week to start putting it all together. Attachment 48428
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if you dont mind when you have time?
what model number is that kit?
i can only find the 7inch screen and two camera kits.
thanks
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08-29-2020, 02:49 PM
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#27
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 443
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cummins ISC 260HP/660Q/MD3060 6spd
Rated Cap: 81
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How’s the software on that? My Fookoo camera system is very glitchy and has terrible picture quality. The company gets your contact info through the promise to send a free dash camera. Then they bribe you to give them good reviews on Amazon. From reading the reviews it looks like most people go for it.
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08-29-2020, 04:29 PM
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#28
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,047
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
if you dont mind when you have time?
what model number is that kit?
i can only find the 7inch screen and two camera kits.
thanks
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Hello Jolly Roger
My mistake, its a 9" display. Was sure I had read the description as a 10", oh well.
My purchase was through Amazon.ca but I'm sure it must be available on US amazon as well.
Cheers
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08-29-2020, 04:30 PM
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#29
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia
Posts: 1,047
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner
Engine: C7 Cat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon Voyage
How’s the software on that? My Fookoo camera system is very glitchy and has terrible picture quality. The company gets your contact info through the promise to send a free dash camera. Then they bribe you to give them good reviews on Amazon. From reading the reviews it looks like most people go for it.
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I have not hooked anything up yet for testing. Will review as soon as it's installed.
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08-29-2020, 05:21 PM
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#30
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2006
Location: mid Mo.
Posts: 941
Year: 1976
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: F33695
Engine: 427 chevy converted to 466
Rated Cap: 84
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I bought a nice quality LCD back up camera w 9" screen (hard wired) and just used it this week to back down a curvy one lane gravel driveway, worked great. Tried to back up a tow dolly once, it puts tremendous pressure on the tire straps with the car trying to go one way and the dolly going the other, not recommended especially for novice. Locking steering wheel on dolly car is a must or it will just turn the steering wheel all the way one way, the opposite way the dolly is going of course. It's a real pain trying to get the car back on correctly, it took quite a while if I remember, took a floor jack to get the car moved back into position and I think there was damage to the car. No just puling forward didn't magically straighten up the mess like you thought it would.
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08-29-2020, 06:33 PM
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#31
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,118
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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ok please teach me.
i have never used a tow dolly or tow bar.
i have always trailered.
but this is not a choice this time.
gonna sound stupid because i have never used either?
just saying it upfront.
my wifes car can not be towed four down it has to be on at least a two wheel dolly.
i have not had either one but on a tow bar the steering is left unlocked???
on a two wheel tow dolly the steering of the tow vehicle is ridgid ?
me being stupid from not having done it?
on a tow dolly could you release the steering wheel of the car and use it as the pivot point or do i need find or build a tow dolly that pivots in the tongue?
all that sounds tough for my wife that has a tough time backing a ridgid trailer
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aargh
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08-30-2020, 04:02 AM
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#32
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 443
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cummins ISC 260HP/660Q/MD3060 6spd
Rated Cap: 81
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
ok please teach me.
i have never used a tow dolly or tow bar.
i have always trailered.
but this is not a choice this time.
gonna sound stupid because i have never used either?
just saying it upfront.
my wifes car can not be towed four down it has to be on at least a two wheel dolly.
i have not had either one but on a tow bar the steering is left unlocked???
on a two wheel tow dolly the steering of the tow vehicle is ridgid ?
me being stupid from not having done it?
on a tow dolly could you release the steering wheel of the car and use it as the pivot point or do i need find or build a tow dolly that pivots in the tongue?
all that sounds tough for my wife that has a tough time backing a ridgid trailer
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aargh
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I’ve towed with a dolly and 4 wheels on the ground. Yes with towing 4 on the ground the steering wheel is left unlocked and a tow dolly the wheel is locked. With 4 down the wheels need to turn with the motorhome to follow behind without skidding. On the dolly it’s locked because the wheels sit on the platform and the straps hold the car on by the front wheels. If you were to unlock the steering wheel I think the car would be more likely to pivot while backing up. I can’t describe the physics behind why but I have tried backing up with both and you can’t really direct the car where to go. You can get a few feet but backing up is not something to count on being able to do. Backing up also puts a lot of stress on the towing equipment and I don’t like risking breaking something.
Most tow dollies have a pivot to some degree and it doesn’t make a difference in backing up, if anything I would expect it to make it harder to back up like backing with 2 trailers.
Between the two it’s much quicker and easier to disconnect a car with 4 wheels down than a tow dolly. And if you try to back up with a tow dolly with no car on it you can’t really do that either because the dolly turns so sharply faster than the motorhome can compensate. I’ll bet there’s YouTube videos showing people trying to back up.
Hope that’s helpful.
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08-30-2020, 05:45 AM
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#33
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,823
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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The general physics are that you want the steering vehicle to have a shorter turning radius than the trailer when backing. A semi truck driver can whip a 53 foot trailer into a precise spot as his tractor is much shorter .. the trailer always turns slower than the tractor so he can always “beat the trailer” in a maneuver.
Your camper with a huge wheel base and your short car means a couple things.
Your tail swing can be your friend.. a bus with long tail behind the rear wheels can make it easier to back, as your bus rear wheels are the pivot for your hitch
You do still have the long bus and it’s front swing to deal with when backing which means tight spaces are very tough. You have a hard time turning faster than your “trailer” so maneuvers need to involve more straight lines or lots of back n forth jockey which is harder on power steering and transmissions
Most unhook their cars just to avoid backing in all but the easiest places
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09-02-2020, 05:14 PM
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#34
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Wild Wild West
Posts: 693
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC RE
Engine: 8.3 Cummins MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
Hello Jolly Roger
My mistake, its a 9" display. Was sure I had read the description as a 10", oh well.
My purchase was through Amazon.ca but I'm sure it must be available on US amazon as well. Attachment 48455
Cheers
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
I have not hooked anything up yet for testing. Will review as soon as it's installed.
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That looks a lot like the one I am planning on getting for my rig. Curious to hear how you like it.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X243SQS...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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09-03-2020, 12:22 PM
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#35
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 32
Year: 2005
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
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I want to wish her luck in trying to back up her car on a tow dollie. I should know since I have done heavy recovery and truck driving for more than 25 years. The last tow test I took in the late 90's required me to back up for 100 feet a truck hooked to my wrecker that had 2 pup trailers hooked to it. I finally did it. Took 2 hours, The boss gave me extra credit for not giving up.
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12-26-2020, 03:33 PM
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#36
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,118
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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good afternoon skoolies.
thanks for the advice.
i ended up with the ERAPTA 4 camera system.
works suprisingly well on test run before install.
even with the 7" monitor the split screen has clean and clear pics and i had two cameras on my front porch in the rain.
my new question is?
in my 3500 express cutaway that this is going there was a load of wiring underneath the rubber flooring around the drivers seat and across to the passengers doors in wire loom that is wore out of course.
bad idea in my mind.
i want to run my new back up camera wiring in conduit under the rug and up into the raceway to the back.
that way when the camera or system messes up and i need new cable to go to a different connection I have a raceway. Has anyone ran the conduit in the framewell for this purpose?
my concern with underneath verses inside is the motor,exhaust and tranny heat up front.
and i would have to keep them near the dog house access running them in conduit under the floor mat i could keep put into the dash where i need them close to the dog house and still keep them accessible from the dog house removal under the matting.
or am i over complicating and camera systems use the same connectors?
definetly pulling extra strings with anything!
opinion please
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12-26-2020, 06:16 PM
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#37
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: SW USA
Posts: 2,064
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC / Amtran
Chassis: CE300
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RolesvilleMarina
our Vista has 4 camera's
1. High mounted rear view
2. Low mount rear view (monitor trailer tires, etc)
3. One on the passenger mirror shooting aft down my blind spot (for city driving)
4. One in the "garage" to monitor the motorcycle and stuff back there.
The monitor will let me see each view individually, or I can see a combination..
edit: yes that is a indeed a marine ship to shore... we spend most of our time near the sea, and it is fun to listen to whats happening, and the NOAA instant weather when needed.
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I love your set-up, @RolesvilleMarina! Very nice.
Question for you or others relevant to the OP's inquiry:
Using a rear view camera mounted near the top of a full-size bus (ours is right below the markers, but not yet hooked up to anything), does the height cause you any problem based on the angle to the road? Particularly in the case of the superimposed lane lines? Did this functionality still work as expected, & can you still see enough behind your vehicle to get everything you want out of a rear view camera when not towing anything?
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12-26-2020, 07:39 PM
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#38
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,422
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Crown, integral. (With 2kW of tiltable solar)
Chassis: Crown Supercoach II (rear engine)
Engine: Detroit 6V92TAC, DDEC 2, Jake brake, Allison HT740
Rated Cap: 37,400 lbs GVWR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHubbardBus
I love your set-up, @RolesvilleMarina! Very nice.
Question for you or others relevant to the OP's inquiry:
Using a rear view camera mounted near the top of a full-size bus (ours is right below the markers, but not yet hooked up to anything), does the height cause you any problem based on the angle to the road? Particularly in the case of the superimposed lane lines? Did this functionality still work as expected, & can you still see enough behind your vehicle to get everything you want out of a rear view camera when not towing anything?
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I have the Rear View Safety system that works excellently as a reversing camera, but I also want to know what's behind me while I'm driving. I bought another RVS camera and mounted it inside my rear window, pointing straight back so I can see down the road behind me and the lanes on either side of me. I just finished installing it today (hours of work running the cable through the rear roof cap and a wiring chase!), and I'll test it tomorrow on a short drive up the coast here. I can toggle between the two cameras as needed, and the reversing camera still comes on automatically when reversing.
John
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12-26-2020, 08:03 PM
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#39
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: SW USA
Posts: 2,064
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC / Amtran
Chassis: CE300
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceni John
I have the Rear View Safety system that works excellently as a reversing camera, but I also want to know what's behind me while I'm driving. I bought another RVS camera and mounted it inside my rear window, pointing straight back so I can see down the road behind me and the lanes on either side of me. I just finished installing it today (hours of work running the cable through the rear roof cap and a wiring chase!), and I'll test it tomorrow on a short drive up the coast here. I can toggle between the two cameras as needed, and the reversing camera still comes on automatically when reversing.
John
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Thanks John! That sounds like a great set-up. Bet you're stoked to try it out! Look forward to the report.
So is it safe to say your high-mounted camera, combined with the rear-view mirrors, would provide a relatively complete view behind the vehicle? Or is the angle so great that there's a dead zone between the camera & where the mirrored image starts, which is why you're using a 2nd camera?
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12-29-2020, 12:48 PM
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#40
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Wake Forest NC
Posts: 510
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Vista 3600
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 24000 lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar1
This just arrived today, 4 camera wired system for full coverage all around with 10" split screen and built in dvr. Hopefully I will have time his week to start putting it all together. Attachment 48428
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Like I said previously I made my own system that was exactly like what you pictured
but it was less than $100
I just hate watching people spend high dollar simply because they think they need "truck length" wire
just use coax
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