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Old 07-29-2020, 08:51 PM   #1
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In what year did they start making "high headroom" dog-nose school buses?

My bus having caught fire almost two months ago hasn't tamped down my 2-year-old son's excitement whenever he sees one, and he still asks me "ride bus?" regularly. Last night we were watching videos of him as a baby and I happened upon one of my bus on fire, and though I exited out of it quickly, he heard me say "bus" on the video and then he went nonstop about wanting to see a bus. So I found a YouTube video where a guy picked up an old school bus, and he loved it.

The bus was a 1988 GMC / Thomas Saf-T-Liner 9-window. It did not appear to have high headroom, but it got me thinking. If I could get an older, simpler bus for my next one, I'd be that much less likely to watch it go up in flames and that much more likely to be able to work on it myself. I remember that some of them used to have gas engines and stick shifts.

But did they have high headroom? Really, I need to know when they started making "high headroom" versions. We have to have a minimum of 6'5" interior headroom for it to be workable. Do any of y'all know when they started doing this, or do any of y'all have an older bus that is high headroom such that you can say something like, "I know they did it in [year] because I have one from that year that's high headroom"?
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:38 PM   #2
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I'd suggest you look for a step-van. They have some old cool looking ones.
This isn't one of those, but it shows a good example, this van has been in lots of videos.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:43 PM   #3
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I have seen pictures

of wayne school busses from the 1950's with high head room. They have windows that look like about 4" tall above the standard windows. I have seen two ex air force busses from the late 40's like 1947 to 1950 that were also High head room....

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Old 07-29-2020, 10:15 PM   #4
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States like California and Washington state seem to have required high roof buses but they're scarce in other parts of the country unless its newer usually.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:12 AM   #5
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I'd suggest you look for a step-van. They have some old cool looking ones.
This isn't one of those, but it shows a good example, this van has been in lots of videos.
Maybe, but I doubt that'd satisfy my son. He knows the difference.

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States like California and Washington state seem to have required high roof buses but they're scarce in other parts of the country unless its newer usually.
When did they start making them generally? I've seen 2002 models with high headroom here in Ohio, but I have very little experience.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:17 AM   #6
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My 1971 Wayne bodied bus is high headroom, from the factory.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:44 AM   #7
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thomas had high headroom units in the late 70s.. you canm tell with a thomas bus if the "hump" in the front goes Up toward the back.. the low headroom models the hump goes "down" toward the back of the bus.



bluebird dognose busses you can tell by the p[assenger window in relation to the driver window.. they always used the same size driver window so passenger windows taller than the driver window are a high headroom.. I have seen these back into the 80s.. though they werent super common until late 90s..



amtran / IC high headrooms back into the 80s(ward) for sure.. those you can tell by the busses apearing to have 'tall' windows the driver window is taller than it is wide on those busses..



the high headroom makes a difference.. im only 5'9 but my carpenter huigh headroom feels more open and airy than either of my other busses which are low headroom
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:14 AM   #8
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My International is a high-ceiling (6'7" down the center) but has a squat driver's window:

https://www.skoolie.net/forums/attac...5&d=1567046903

I actually just noticed for the first time that it's the same height as the windshield and the passenger windows, but it's set a couple of inches lower. Kind of irritating aesthetically, actually.
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:34 AM   #9
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interesting! I hadnt seen that.. first gen IC, used a short driver window.. every day I find a new variation of these busses lol
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