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03-03-2020, 10:41 AM
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#21
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,830
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I've torn into some RUSTY buses and this one is BAD.
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03-03-2020, 11:45 AM
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#22
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Originally Posted by musigenesis
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Originally Posted by banman View Post
I think fixing bus rust is easy (we'll see what happens when I actually start mine)

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My rust porn will be as bad as yours, just not as extensive...
But there is a good point to be made here: rust-rot repair is much easier if you have the bus where you live, next to your shop where you already have a welder etc... I would not want to be doing these repairs at a remote site w/out electricity etc... the hassle and time suck of moving tools and pieces back and forth from a remote jobsite is too much like work for me...
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03-05-2020, 02:41 AM
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#23
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Right-on David! For rust remediation, close proximity to your shop/tools is paramount!
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03-10-2020, 07:02 PM
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#24
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: MN
Posts: 8
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 78
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I want to thank everyone for their opinions and to let everyone know that sadly, I already own this bus. I think I was too excited when I went to look at it. Although it is very rusty, I am optimistic and excited for the challenges ahead. I will rip up the floor soon and get a good look underneath to make a final decision on whether or not I will continue with this build. I will try to keep you guys posted with what I see, perhaps even start my own build thread.
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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03-10-2020, 07:42 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,033
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
I want to thank everyone for their opinions and to let everyone know that sadly, I already own this bus. I think I was too excited when I went to look at it. Although it is very rusty, I am optimistic and excited for the challenges ahead. I will rip up the floor soon and get a good look underneath to make a final decision on whether or not I will continue with this build. I will try to keep you guys posted with what I see, perhaps even start my own build thread.
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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Yeah, I'm in the middle of doing that. I would recommend painting it on with a cheap brush rather than spraying it. And make sure you have protective clothing all over, including splash-resistant goggles. Your skin isn't going to start smoking if you come in contact with it, but it's best to avoid the contact.
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03-10-2020, 08:09 PM
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#26
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: MN
Posts: 8
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 78
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Yeah, I'm in the middle of doing that. I would recommend painting it on with a cheap brush rather than spraying it. And make sure you have protective clothing all over, including splash-resistant goggles. Your skin isn't going to start smoking if you come in contact with it, but it's best to avoid the contact.
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To avoid all that overspray?
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03-10-2020, 08:15 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
I want to thank everyone for their opinions and to let everyone know that sadly, I already own this bus. I think I was too excited when I went to look at it. Although it is very rusty, I am optimistic and excited for the challenges ahead. I will rip up the floor soon and get a good look underneath to make a final decision on whether or not I will continue with this build. I will try to keep you guys posted with what I see, perhaps even start my own build thread.
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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Seems to me you're going to end up spending $10,000 and months of time fixing all that rust on a $1,000 bus. Better to shop further south for something much more rust-free.
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03-10-2020, 08:18 PM
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#28
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,033
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
To avoid all that overspray?
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Yeah, especially the overspray into your own face. You'll find that being under the bus is real PITA, more so with a van style like yours.
One important point: the main thing you need to worry about right away is halting the rust on the body proper. It is made from thin-gauge sheet metal, so a decade+ of rust is enough to eat through it. The chassis parts are made from much thicker steel, so even though they might look especially bad, they're really not something you need to worry about right away.
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03-10-2020, 08:20 PM
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#29
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,033
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad_SwiftFur
Seems to me you're going to end up spending $10,000 and months of time fixing all that rust on a $1,000 bus. Better to shop further south for something much more rust-free.
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I have to second this advice as well. My advice on how to handle it is only assuming that you've made the decision to proceed with it. And it's not a decision you have to make.
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03-10-2020, 08:59 PM
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#30
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: MN
Posts: 8
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 78
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad_SwiftFur
Seems to me you're going to end up spending $10,000 and months of time fixing all that rust on a $1,000 bus. Better to shop further south for something much more rust-free.
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Depending on the severity of the rust after I rip the inside apart, this is what I will do.
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03-10-2020, 10:24 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pasadena Tx
Posts: 150
Coachwork: 1991 bluebird
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I've owned 20 year old New York cars with less rust. Keep looking!
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03-11-2020, 12:08 AM
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#32
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,860
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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When you do start into it, start a new thread and post the link here, please.
It would be good to see the photos of the bus as-is in the thread so that those that look into the rust remediation you perform can see the signs to look for and know how much rust may be hidden.
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03-11-2020, 07:21 AM
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#33
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,830
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
I want to thank everyone for their opinions and to let everyone know that sadly, I already own this bus. I think I was too excited when I went to look at it. Although it is very rusty, I am optimistic and excited for the challenges ahead. I will rip up the floor soon and get a good look underneath to make a final decision on whether or not I will continue with this build. I will try to keep you guys posted with what I see, perhaps even start my own build thread.
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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"should I buy this bus" Threads are pointless. 99 out of 100 don't take the advice.
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03-11-2020, 07:49 AM
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#34
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Ohio
Posts: 224
Year: 2008
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 0908S
Engine: Cummins 5.9
Rated Cap: 28' 9 window
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
I want to thank everyone for their opinions and to let everyone know that sadly, I already own this bus. I think I was too excited when I went to look at it. Although it is very rusty, I am optimistic and excited for the challenges ahead. I will rip up the floor soon and get a good look underneath to make a final decision on whether or not I will continue with this build. I will try to keep you guys posted with what I see, perhaps even start my own build thread.
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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My plan is to power wash my undercarriage and then spray ospho using a fertilizer sprayer once its dry.
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03-11-2020, 07:49 AM
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#35
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: CA
Posts: 32
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466, AT545
Rated Cap: 8 windows
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Undercarriage doesn't look that bad
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03-11-2020, 08:56 AM
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#36
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Savannah GA
Posts: 756
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9 24v
Rated Cap: 54 passenger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LankyShaft
Has anybody here ever have to treat most of their undercarriage with OSHPO?
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I'm also in the middle of treating the whole undercarriage on my bus. An angle grinder and a flap disc work well for most of it. A wire wheel for the corners. I would expect to buy 3 gallons of ospho and a couple flap discs.
It really is a pita. You can't quite lay down and you can't quite sit up. It's monotonous but if you get into a groove it's not so bad.
I've been using a spray bottle and goggles. It drips on my arms and on my forehead. It burns lol. I've been wearing a bandana to help. I'm going to pick up one of those plastic face shields this week instead of the goggles and see how that works.
Good luck! I would love to see progress. Start a build thread.
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03-11-2020, 09:03 AM
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#37
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,033
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Try the cheap brush approach with Ospho. I was surprised at how much easier and less messy it was, and the coverage seems to do a better job of removing the rust (it also seems to waste less Ospho).
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03-11-2020, 09:09 AM
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#38
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Savannah GA
Posts: 756
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: Cummins 5.9 24v
Rated Cap: 54 passenger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Try the cheap brush approach with Ospho. I was surprised at how much easier and less messy it was, and the coverage seems to do a better job of removing the rust (it also seems to waste less Ospho).
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That was for me? I've got a couple chip brushes for putting the primer on after Ospho I was going to try when I get back under there.
I'm having fun not being under there right now lol.
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03-11-2020, 09:13 AM
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#39
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,033
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JDSquared
That was for me? I've got a couple chip brushes for putting the primer on after Ospho I was going to try when I get back under there.
I'm having fun not being under there right now lol.
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Yeah, that was for you. I though the "Quick Reply" button linked to the comment, but I guess not.
I'm very much not having fun underneath my bus right now. Turns out the tender spring shoots of stinging nettle are even worse than the full-grown plants, and my bus is pretty much surrounded by them. I fantasize about breaking into an abandoned Jiffy Lube at night and parking my bus in one of those bays where they work underneath the vehicles.
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03-11-2020, 09:42 AM
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#40
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,830
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Yeah, that was for you. I though the "Quick Reply" button linked to the comment, but I guess not.
I'm very much not having fun underneath my bus right now. Turns out the tender spring shoots of stinging nettle are even worse than the full-grown plants, and my bus is pretty much surrounded by them. I fantasize about breaking into an abandoned Jiffy Lube at night and parking my bus in one of those bays where they work underneath the vehicles.
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I've been stung by nettles too many times!
Having the bus at my house has eliminated that finally.
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