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Old 12-23-2020, 09:18 PM   #21
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Those tanks may rotate in place and damage or break the outlets. I'd consider some method of either making the notch bigger so the outlet can't touch it or find a way to put a locking mechanism like a key-way or such in place to keep them from rotating.

Any trucker will understand how tied down loads manage to move in the most insane ways and end up just about anywhere, except where we wanted them to be. Rotation will happen over time, so make sure there's nothing to contact and break.

I second the sentiments about driving semi-truck tankers. I hauled milk and they most definitely had no baffles. Giant 40 foot tubes with no baffles. I asked about that once, the answer was they didn't want to churn it into butter..?..ok.. whatever. Starting and stopping was the most bizarre experience, and trying to shift as the truck was starting and stopping on it's own due to the liquid load moving fore and aft was truly surreal.

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Old 12-23-2020, 09:36 PM   #22
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Did you have to placard? Is milk a class 9?
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Did you have to placard? Is milk a class 9?
I don't really remember. It was 30 years ago and the company I drove for may have had placards, but I usually don't notice or understand the placards I see on trucks anyway. I'm sure things have become a lot more regulated since then. It was an interesting job and I learned to appreciate the Tanker drivers a lot more. I only did it for a few months anyway. I didn't need anything other than the tanker endorsement I already had on my license.

I still have all my Class A endorsements just in case I need to drive a semi again. But I hope I don't need to. I like driving trucks, but today it's way to regulated and I don't like the whole electronic log and intrusive driver monitoring Big Brother mentality of the government and industry. Thanks but no thanks. I feel that no one trusts or respects the professional behind the wheel anymore. Nuts to them. I'll drive mine where they have no say over me, as a Private Citizen.

I'm a Computer, Internet, Fiber-optic, Telecom kind of guy and I'm usually forced back to driving when the tech sectors get wiped out, which has happened to me several times. At least I have the skills to fall back on and enjoy driving so I can find a job to tide me over. I still drive professionally, buses, but I do it for friends with companys and not strictly full time. I have my Crowns and drive them for the unalloyed pleasure they are to drive. Nothing like them. A dream come true really.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:12 PM   #24
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I don't really remember. It was 30 years ago and the company I drove for may have had placards, but I usually don't notice or understand the placards I see on trucks anyway. I'm sure things have become a lot more regulated since then. It was an interesting job and I learned to appreciate the Tanker drivers a lot more. I only did it for a few months anyway.

I'm a Computer, Internet, Fiber-optic, Telecom kind of guy and I'm usually forced back to driving when the tech sectors get wiped out, which has happened to me several times. At least I have the skills to fall back on and enjoy driving so I can find a job to tide me over.
Nice. Oh boy have they ever changed since then! Especially the fines for non-compliance on random stops -- especially around 4th of July!

I too am a computer nerd kind of guy. For giggles (and mostly the boom) started a fireworks company a number of years ago with a good friend. Everything I know about hazmat was born from that.

I recognize most of the placards but not all. I do remember a milk tanker spill shutting down a highway while cleanup crews did their thing! No crying over spilt milk? (sorry, had to lol)

EDIT: btw, what I am not is a diesel mechanic and this has me more worried than everything else in the Skoolie world
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Old 12-24-2020, 05:18 AM   #25
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I cannot recall any placards required for milk. Same is true for many food grade products. I was hauling high fructose corn syrup because I have my tanker endorsement but let my hazmat lapse. Same thing, only did it for a few months and it just wasn't for me. The driving tanker wasn't the big issue, it was mostly the customers who demanded you be on time but then when you arrive they make you wait because they haven't used enough of the product in their tanks to accept delivery. Hello? A phone call was all it would have taken but instead they wasted our entire clock sitting around waiting.
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Old 12-24-2020, 08:55 AM   #26
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No, milk is not placarded as a HazMat. However, in the event of a spill it is (supposed to be) cleaned up like one! Milk is a "Marine Pollutant", it does not absorb oxygen like water and because of this it will kill fish. I know this because I hauled waste milk for 7 years, and my buddy rolled one spilling 5000+ gallons, which the local FD [Sarcasm mode] ever so kindly washed down the parking lot storm drain.[/Sarcasm mode] HazMat mitigation crews were called. No, they never did clean up all the spilled milk. And no, no one cried about it.
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Old 12-24-2020, 04:14 PM   #27
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No, milk is not placarded as a HazMat. However, in the event of a spill it is (supposed to be) cleaned up like one! Milk is a "Marine Pollutant", it does not absorb oxygen like water and because of this it will kill fish. I know this because I hauled waste milk for 7 years, and my buddy rolled one spilling 5000+ gallons, which the local FD [Sarcasm mode] ever so kindly washed down the parking lot storm drain.[/Sarcasm mode] HazMat mitigation crews were called. No, they never did clean up all the spilled milk. And no, no one cried about it.
I drove for a local grocery store chain for a while and one night a pallet of milk hit the plate coming off the trailer wrong and spilled on the backroom floor. They were retail containers so we had to sort for broken ones and tossed them in the loading dock pit and let them bleed out there. It was quite a bit and after a few days the smell must have been nasty since the pit didn't really drain very well anymore, most don't. At least all the local kitty cats had a delightful large plate of milk for a few days. We don't need no Stink'n HazMat.

I remember well the main warehouse guys having all manner of spirited Food Fights whenever someone spilled products before managing to clean up the mess. We all find our amusements where we can. Boys WILL be Boys. Work without a little fun occasionally is truly too dreary to contemplate. Merry Christmas All
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Old 12-24-2020, 06:06 PM   #28
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In my brief experience with that HFCS job I learned that food manufacturing facilities are just about the worst smelling places which seems mildly ironic since their products usually smell so good. One in particular was a Heinz facility and all manner of ingredients were delivered by bulk tanker and all at the same inlet portal. Below all the connections was a big concrete trough to catch leaked product and they only emptied it once it was close to full so it was an unholy stew of every ingredient that goes into any condiment packet Heinz makes and it marinaded for weeks!

Speaking of dairies in particular, although they are usually pretty clean and sterile for obvious reasons they aren't nearly as appealing once you get a peak inside. Again delivering HFCS (which I never did find out why a dairy would need corn syrup especially when the ads on their trucks specifically said they DON'T use it) and in the middle of the delivery process some valve opens up and caustic purple sanitizer begins pumping through the pipes I'm busy pumping product. I shut down my pump, donned my hazmat PPE, called their staff who seemed fairly unconcerned that whatever it is was co-mingling with the product. Needless to say I stopped buying THAT brand of milk! So if you ever wonder why our food supply chain seems so fraught with recalls, just look at how industrialized the whole process has become.
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Speaking of dairies in particular, although they are usually pretty clean and sterile for obvious reasons they aren't nearly as appealing once you get a peak inside. Again delivering HFCS (which I never did find out why a dairy would need corn syrup especially when the ads on their trucks specifically said they DON'T use it) and in the middle of the delivery process some valve opens up and caustic purple sanitizer begins pumping through the pipes I'm busy pumping product. I shut down my pump, donned my hazmat PPE, called their staff who seemed fairly unconcerned that whatever it is was co-mingling with the product. Needless to say I stopped buying THAT brand of milk! So if you ever wonder why our food supply chain seems so fraught with recalls, just look at how industrialized the whole process has become.

The place I contracted for used High Fructose Corn Syrup in flavoring chocolate milk. Also used it for sweetening tea and lemonade.


They once had a hundred or so gallons of sanitizer get into the freshly processed milk, and it was discussed what to do about it since "It tastes fine to me", but it was decided to discard that batch since all it would take was one kid, somewhere, to have a bad reaction to a trace of sanitizer in the milk. At the time, I was the driver hauling off the waste milk, so 3 loads of chocolate milk went off to the hogs.


Company management decided (wisely) that 3 loads of milk was much cheaper than a lawsuit should someone get sick, not to mention the negative publicity the media would create for them. They didn't want the liability.
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In my brief experience with that HFCS job I learned that food manufacturing facilities are just about the worst smelling places which seems mildly ironic since their products usually smell so good. One in particular was a Heinz facility and all manner of ingredients were delivered by bulk tanker and all at the same inlet portal. Below all the connections was a big concrete trough to catch leaked product and they only emptied it once it was close to full so it was an unholy stew of every ingredient that goes into any condiment packet Heinz makes and it marinaded for weeks!

Speaking of dairies in particular, although they are usually pretty clean and sterile for obvious reasons they aren't nearly as appealing once you get a peak inside. Again delivering HFCS (which I never did find out why a dairy would need corn syrup especially when the ads on their trucks specifically said they DON'T use it) and in the middle of the delivery process some valve opens up and caustic purple sanitizer begins pumping through the pipes I'm busy pumping product. I shut down my pump, donned my hazmat PPE, called their staff who seemed fairly unconcerned that whatever it is was co-mingling with the product. Needless to say I stopped buying THAT brand of milk! So if you ever wonder why our food supply chain seems so fraught with recalls, just look at how industrialized the whole process has become.
As a very young man, I worked at an amusement park maintaining and repairing refrigeration systems -- from Walk-ins to beer line glycol systems to soft-serv ice cream machines.

I can tell you that I have never seen, nor smelled anything as disgusting as a soft-serv ice cream machine when they don't properly clean it regularly (spolier alert: the kids who work in these places don't clean them properly).

30+ years later i still don't eat that stuff!!!
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Old 12-30-2020, 03:31 PM   #31
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Elliot, they are 5/8 in bolts. Their heads are 9/16 in.

UFO, I don't know how much boondocking we will be doing. The idea was to use her for camping and trips across the country. To be honest I've never been camping a single day in my life, but I dreamed of this since I was a kid. I still remember watching The Partridge family and saying I'm going to have one of those buses one day.
For me, it was The Muppet Movie
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Old 12-30-2020, 04:10 PM   #32
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This is the way I see your setup. I don't know how to calculate the energy but think of your tanks as missles if you come to a sudden stop. The destructive energy of one or both of those tanks coming forward after they have broken loose is hard to imagine. I would look at trying to encase the tanks in some kind of shell or frame that is far more substantial than the tanks themselves and then use substantial cable or chains to affix the frame or shell.
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Old 12-30-2020, 06:20 PM   #33
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I recall a force called surge when I used to drive oil tankers.. if you stopped quick oil would surge forward and push the truck in the same direction.. then when you let up on the brakes the oil would go to the back of the tank like a wave.. an inexperienced driver would take his foot off the brake not knowing that the wave was going to go back and forth several times before leveling off.. first time for me pushed me out into the middle of an intersection.. that was 9,000 gallons but the force would still apply..
plan accordingly..
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:12 AM   #34
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All I could do to prevent sloshing would be to make sure they are either completely full or completely empty during travel.
Tanks for semi's are not baffled and normally 100 gallons per side with no sloshing issues even when bobtailing, plus they are DOT approved. For years I carried a 55 gallon drum for spare water when boondocking, and it worked fine.
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