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Old 02-27-2024, 11:50 AM   #1
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Looking for some schematics, blueprints, literature, etc.

I'm looking for some concrete paperwork for my 2003/2004 Thomas bus (Thomas says one year/DMV says another*). An owner's manual would be fantastic, along with any blueprints with dimensions, drawings, wiring diagrams, etc. However, the only person I could get connected with at Thomas could only give me some basic cursory info, like VINs and such. Apparently I have a Model 8, but that's not super helpful to Google and I'm aggravated at the lack of clarity. It's got 12 windows not including driver and door, and I've roughly measured it at 35'6" exterior length and 7'7" interior width. I work out of town away from the project, so a bunch of my answers are guesses and take a month or so to confirm. Basically any paperwork anyone could lead me towards would be a fantastic boon. Thanks for reading.
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Old 02-27-2024, 12:05 PM   #2
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bus model years are interesting... they are built WAY ahead... in the auto world, model years are never more than 12 months ahead... but in school busses ive seen 14-16 months.. meaning that bus built in 2002 can be sold as a 2004 model by thomas.. however the CHASSIS VIN likely dictates the model year the chassis was made.. built in late 2002, the chassis may be an 03 and the DMV registered based on that...



rarely do i see vice versa.. if the DMV has yours as an 04, the thomas label you posted also states 2004..


that model looks an MVP / thomas EF, (front engine transit)..



the chassis was most likely made by freightliner for that.. although im not up on my transits that much to know what the chassis model wouldve been.. on an FE, the engine , transmission, and associated computer wiring will match somewhat close to a freightliner FL series of a similar year... at least the near engine and control wiring...
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Old 02-27-2024, 01:22 PM   #3
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The labels indicate that the incomplete chassis is a 2002 and the built unit is a 2004.

If you want more detailed info on what parts are in the bus, go to the thomas website and plug in your vin number. This will provide you with a boat load of info.

https://www.thomasbusonline.com/ESP/Vinlookup.aspx

Your bus is a Clarke county school bus, Athens Ga initially put into service on 1/15/2003.

I see 6 manuals listed for your bus. They are located at the very bottom of the vin search results page.

BODY STRUCTURE-FRONT FRAME -STANDARD 53002059 FRAME ASSEMBLY, COWL FRONT, MVP-EF

TRANSMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM 61180401 TRANSMISSION SHIFT CONTROL-ALLISON AD2000-
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Old 02-27-2024, 10:58 PM   #4
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Model 8 is a Saf-T-Liner MVP-EF
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Old 03-02-2024, 05:05 PM   #5
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The labels indicate that the incomplete chassis is a 2002 and the built unit is a 2004.

If you want more detailed info on what parts are in the bus, go to the thomas website and plug in your vin number. This will provide you with a boat load of info.

https://www.thomasbusonline.com/ESP/Vinlookup.aspx

Your bus is a Clarke county school bus, Athens Ga initially put into service on 1/15/2003.

I see 6 manuals listed for your bus. They are located at the very bottom of the vin search results page.

BODY STRUCTURE-FRONT FRAME -STANDARD 53002059 FRAME ASSEMBLY, COWL FRONT, MVP-EF

TRANSMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM 61180401 TRANSMISSION SHIFT CONTROL-ALLISON AD2000-



I tried the link with both of my Thomas buses, both 1993's, and I got a little info, no manuals listed, and a note, in red, saying

No data found for VIN number



any ideas? Thanks


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Old 03-02-2024, 05:17 PM   #6
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I tried the link with both of my Thomas buses, both 1993's, and I got a little info, no manuals listed, and a note, in red, saying

No data found for VIN number



any ideas? Thanks


That's weird, I ran YOUR vin number, from the picture, and I got a lot of results.

PM me you vin numbers and I will give it a try.
Also, for printed diagrams, many here along with myself have had real good luck contacting a Thomas bus dealer and they have always responded with materials.
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These are the manuals listed for the vin ending in 113513

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA C241000205 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500004 MANUAL, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE 1998 ISB CUMMINS ENGINE 1

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA 62950008 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500029 SERVICE MANUAL MGM TAMPER RESISTANT CHAMBERS 1

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA 62950008 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500092 MANUAL-WARRANTY INFORMATION, ALLISON TRANSMISSION 1

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA 62950008 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500184 BULLETIN, SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS FARR AIR FILTERS 1

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA 62950008 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500185 SERVICE MANUAL RIM/WHEEL SAFETY & SERVICE 1

1T88N4D2441133513 CLARKE COUNTY SCHOOLS ATHENS GA 62950008 50 MANUALS SYSTEM 61500701 OPERATOR S MANUAL MVP-EF 1
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Unit Information

VIN: 1T88N4D2441133513
Body No: 238849
Registration#: 1304476
Order No: 33513
In Service Date: 1/15/2003
Registration Date: 1/29/2003
Bus Type: S
Model: 8
Plant: H
Chassis No: 47374
Chassis Mfg: THOS
Chassis Model: 606
Body Start: 11/6/2002
Chassis Start: 10/31/2002
Demo: N
Engine S/N: 46246774
Trans Serial#: 6310244924
Engine Type: CUMMINS
Seat Plan: N/A
Bus Length: 1208S
Wheelbase 193



62202135 wiring schematic, cum isb eng. Mvp-ef

62202145 electrical diagram side elect. Panel mvp-ef, 98 cum. Isb

62202850 schematic, wiring - mvp-ef main chassis, 98 cum isb w/ 200/250 amp alt.
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