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09-14-2007, 09:56 AM
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Almost There
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Location: Carroll, IA
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Mr. Heater propane heater
Have any of you ever used one of those Mr. Heater propane heaters that fit on top of a 20# LP tank in your bus while sleeping? I know they are not rated for indoor use bus I can't imagine that an old school bus would be too airtight, especially if I left a window cracked a little.
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09-14-2007, 01:22 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Saint James, MN
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
This is a touchy subject. I will start by saying don't do it. If you want to use a portable heater like that spend the extra money and get the catalytic version which IS rated for indoor use.
That said...we live by Mr. Heaters up here in northern Minnesota. They are one of the most common ways you see people heating up their ice fishing houses. Even the people that have the fancy ventless wall hung heaters often have a Mr. Heater as a back up and to get the place warm quickly. Our hunting shack is a 1970 wobbly. The big old fuel oil stove (it has a carb/metering block thing...no electricity...it's old) does a reasonable job of keeping up, but on a clear, windy night the temp drops in their dramatically. I know the old men use a Mr. Heater up until before they sleep but they are probably 50 feet from the furnace. Our room is much closer, but we crack ours on in the morning before we get out of our sleeping bags. The common point is that at no point are they used when we are sleeping and that mobile home is less air tight than the bus.
In junior high school a fellow football player and kid I graduated with lost his brother to carbon monoxide poisoning from a Mr. Heater in a travel trailer.
My recommendation? Take it and use it when you're awake. Get a catalytic version for when you're sleeping (or even one of those ventless heaters) and install CO detectors. Your life is not worth the few extra bucks to buy an indoor rated heater.
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09-14-2007, 03:07 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Savage, MN
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
Myself I have not tried using any propane heater in the bus yet. Currently when at a campground I'll use a electric heater on top of the sink covers where I have plenty of space for the heater. I do sleep comfortly doing this. If I was boondocking somewhere and needed heat I would either run the generator or just fire up the bus for a while until it gets warm enough inside and shut it down until I wake up cold enough to do it again. But then again I can sleep comfortably at 50 degrees using a couple heavy blankets. My problem is during the summer since I don't care for 90 plus days and nights.
I'd recommend more blankets myself.
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09-14-2007, 04:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
I bought one of those indoor rated Mr. Heater "big buddy" heaters last fall and tried that in the bus. They look like this.
I never had much luck getting it to work. It would turn on and heat up, but I don't think it ever really heated the bus... and this was the big model - rated for 18,000 BTU's. After what seemed like less than an hour of use it kept shutting off. I thought it was the low O2 shutoff making it do it but when I removed the 1lb propane tanks they felt empty. I ended up returning it to the store.
Last week I bought one of those wall mount ventless propane heaters off Craigs list for $40 bucks. They guy says he only used it for about 2 weeks. In the store this same model is $160
I need to get the right kind of hose to hook it to my 20lb grill propane tank. When I do I'll let you guys know how well it works. It's rated for 30,000 BTU's so it should keep the bus nice and warm.
I also have a carbon monoxide detector in my house that's removable, I plan on taking it with me in the bus when I intend on using a heater like this.
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09-14-2007, 06:25 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Saint James, MN
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
That heater is very similar to what we use to heat ice houses during the winter. They seem to work rather well though they can be a bit slow to do the initial heat up. Of course that is from 0 degrees to 70 degrees. I would imagine a bus would be nice and warm when you parked it.
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09-14-2007, 07:57 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: near flint michigan
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
i agree that a mr heater is fine when you're awake and moving about the bus, but you should absolutely not sleep with it on. Every year in michigan hunters end up dead because they fell asleep inside their tent/cabin with a heater that's not rated for indoor use filling the space with co. I believe in safety 3rd, and i wouldn't sleep with one of those heaters on.
Sleeping when 20 degrees outside isn't bad if you have the right sleeping bag....it's getting out of bed in the morning that is really a drag!
in my first bus i installed a regular house propane forced air furnace. WOW! it made so much heat that I could leave the windows down and the front door open and still keep it hotter than haties in there. The problem i had with it was regulating the temperaure in teh bus. The thermostat would tell the furnace to shut off at 70 degrees and the flame would go out, but the fan would continue to run until the heat exchanger inside cooled off, which might not be until 80 degrees or higher. I did like the furnace though. It was a scrap furnace i got from the heating cooling guy for $40....it would have been free but it was natural gas and he switched it over to propane for me.
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09-14-2007, 09:11 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Carroll, IA
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
Well it looks like the verdict is not to use it. I did read the instruction manual that came with it today and it does have some specs for running it indoors. From what what I gather it will be fine as long as I have two bus windows down, one in the front and one in the back. Seems to me that would let all the heat out though. I'll give you a report on Monday how it went. We are going to use it for tailgating so I'm sure people will be awake off and on all night long, there won't be much sleeping tonight.
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09-16-2007, 09:14 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 274
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
please get a co detector. It could save your life. I used the wall mount ventless in the first bus. it heated well, but all the heat went up to the ceiling leaving the floor cold. After the conversion, the bus was almost airtight, the heater's low o2 sensor would shut the heater off if I covered the ceiling vent, this was before the co detector went off. That being said, read the specs, if it has a low o2 shutoff, it SHOULD shut off before there is even enough co to set off the co detector. Just be careful!
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09-16-2007, 12:05 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Michigan
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
Last winter, I bought a radiant plaque heater for a basement room I spend a lot of time in the winter months. The heater is a ventless and has a thermostat that regulates when it is on/off. I find it very comfortable and convenience. I am cautious about trusting it though. I never leave it going for sleeping or leaving the room for any length of time. I have thought of using it for my newly bought bus, I just want to be more confident in how it will work in there. I will use it in a couple of weeks but I will probably will continue the practice of turning it off for sleeping and when we are not in the bus.
Radiant heat is instantly warm. Its much like the warm sun that hits you when you are out on a cool morning. Anyone one else use radiant heat? The dealer I bought my heater from gave me pros and cons about selling it. He said that he has had customers that were displeased with it because it put too much water in the air. I found out that those customers were running it flat out in a large room with no inside to outside air exchange. The dealer had me take it for two weeks to try and make my own thoughts. Mine is just supplement heat and is wonderful for the basement room. It will be a learning experience to see what it does in the bus on a cold fall day.
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09-16-2007, 07:30 PM
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Bus Nut
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
I purchased a 3-brick, 16,500 btu, indoor ventless propane heater for my bus and have been VERY happy with it! I also have co2 detectors, but I simply choose to turn the heater OFF when I go to bed just to ensure I have no co2 or fire-in-the-hole issues. I intentionally bought one without the automatic thermostat as they don't waste as much propane. It does an amazing job of warming the whole bus up quickly (especially when I turn on a 6" fan to circulate ambient air), and once warmed, maintains temperature very well at the lowest setting.
I replaced my vented, blue flame-chambered unit with it and don't use HALF the propane I used to. That vented, blue flame unit heated outside the bus better than inside. I have never regretted the swap!
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09-17-2007, 12:14 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Carroll, IA
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
Turns out it worked pretty well. I wasn't too worried about it as the temp got just just above freezing and with people coming and going at all hours of the night and having three windows cracked it provided plenty of ventilation.
I am going to purchase a CO1 detector for when it gets colder out and we will use less ventilation but I'm not really planning on sleeping on the bus much more this winter. I can say that a single element Mr. Heater inside a bus that has plenty of air leaks works very well. We had several people join us on Saturday morning who were freezing and came into the bus to warm up.
one more thing:
GO STATE!
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09-19-2007, 12:57 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 786
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
I installed that ventless heater yesterday. I don't want to hijack this post so I wrote about it on the post I started last year about heat...
you can find it here... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1532&p=18470#p18470
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10-13-2007, 06:16 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: near flint michigan
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
i had a great idea....i think.
When it comes to heat in teh new bus, which i don't have yet, a great idea popped into my head.
Why not install a 40 gallon 40K btu propane domestic hot water heater in the bus? I could run the water from the heater through a radiator inside the bus to create hot air to keep us warm while we construct this winter...or better yet could be used in radiant in floor heating or both. The water could also be used to heat the jacuzzi when stationary. New hot water heaters have electronic ignition, and the exhaust doesn't require a chimney, just black plastic pipe that can even be vented out a wall.
basically i would be using the water heater as a boiler. difference is that a boiler costs 20X more money, and weighs 10X as much. The idea came to me because my father got radiant in floor supplemental heating instaleld in his house running off a hot water heater.
i think a boiler is probably more efficient, but thats the only downside i can think of...
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10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
At the risk of adding redundancy to this thread, I'll weigh in on it. I use electric baseboard heaters in my bus (and in my current travel trailer) almost exclusively. I have them plugged into dedicated outlets that are controled by a 120vac line voltage thermostat. The baseboard units are low to the floor and do not tip over, they do not 'glow red' and have little to fear about 'combusability' problems, and since they are on the floor which is the coldest part of the room, the heat created along a broad element pulls the cold air up from below and creates a good deal of heat. I have one in the back that is set on 600watts, and one in the front that is set on 750watts...this does very well.
Now, on those nights when temps drop to the teens I suspect the front room of the bus will be difficult for that one heater to keep up with, and I'm planning on adding one of those propane ventless heaters....but that won't be used at night, only for evening use. I think the small heater in the bedroom will be more than adequate as I like to sleep in a cool/cold enviroment anyway.
I also have a ducted RV Propane furance, but I have not yet installed that. I may get around to it, but it's only for an emergency back-up should I find myself without electricity for the baseboard units. The RV furnace in my Trailer will use a 20# bottle of propane in a day or so...too expensive for using for any length of time...
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10-18-2007, 10:19 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Saint James, MN
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
Hey Jason-
That idea is a good one and something that is not untried so the potential exists for it to work for you. In fact, systems exist that go the other way as well where the boiler feeds the domestic water heater via a heat exchanger as another zone. I certainly think it could work. The domestic watre heater isn't going to kick out water as hot as a boiler, but they sure are cheap and can be very efficient.
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10-21-2007, 08:59 AM
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Moderator
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Re: Mr. Heater propane heater
What about hooking up the water heater to one of the heater cores that was under the seat. Separate one of the heater cores from coolant and run it off the water heater. Use a coolant pump like this one.
Here's a picture of my heater core. I don't know if all the busses have them.
When I was coming back from AZ, the bus heaters made the bus very toasty in 5-10 minutes. That was a 40' bus. I think it would be more than ample.
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