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03-13-2023, 04:22 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2022
Location: Lost
Posts: 63
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Roof Raise Choices to be Made, Thoughts?
I have been stalled out due to some unavoidable circumstances but need to be out of AZ before the heat beats me down. I have all the supplies I need for my build (more or less) but ended up deciding I couldn't have the bus I wanted long term without the roof raise (14 inches). I did buy a rivet shaver and in general have all the tools known to man. But with that said, which of the three options do I choose and do any of them actually save any time?
One thing to keep in mind, I have a roof rack I'm building the full size of the 84 passenger bus either way for my 5,000 watts of solar.
1) Full roof raise.
I don't love the super tall front, seems like the most work and in my build I'll have a door right behind the drivers seat so I view the higher front as a liability for heat and I can't think of an upside for my build.
2) Instead of removing the rivets around the front I cut the roof just behind the drivers seat. Then I continue with the rest as normal.
I like this, fair compromise, allows me to finish the front differently and better suited for just being a driving area. Looks wise, meh, horse apiece, I think I like this more than the super call front.
3) Do the same with the back as the front in option #2, cut front and rear across the roof, raise, and have only the middle be raised.
In reality, being a pusher there is zero upside to the rear being raised since there's nothing back there but the deck. I'm going with a different layout (front bedroom, rear kitchen) so that's just seating there anyway. Also, this allows me to add a vent (or two) in that area since the solar will be up 14" above the roof. This seems easiest, most functional, and goofiest looking.
I would really value thoughts and ideas or anything I'm missing or overlooking. I'll put in the work needed I just see positives and negatives to each with the only negative of option #3 being appearance which may be addressed with a full length roof rack.
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03-13-2023, 10:34 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 162
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466e 215hp Allison 2500
Rated Cap: 77
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I like this shape....
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03-13-2023, 10:38 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,313
Coachwork: Integrated Coach Corp.
Chassis: RE-300 42ft
Engine: 466ci
Rated Cap: 90
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Raise Option (D)
Also, check out TinTapping's Albulm. They did a terrific job of utilizing the space, above the rear engine.
Similar to option (C), this version has two transitions.
The 'wasted' space becomes quite usable @ 5' tall.
(3rd bedroom?)
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03-13-2023, 11:04 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Near Flagstaff AZ
Posts: 1,805
Year: 1974
Coachwork: Crown
Chassis: "Atomic"
Engine: DD 8V71
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That's cool, DeMac...I hadn't seen that bus before. It's a less-creepy version of the 12 Tribes bus.
Timeline, that's a well-done transition and I think looks better than the Option 2 image in the original post.
Hey, Tucson (from Flagstaff), this is really a personal decision. But personally, I am not a fan of either your Option 2 or 3. I do like a well-done Option 1 or the version Timeline showed.
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03-13-2023, 11:21 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Central Tx.
Posts: 1,196
Year: 1999
Chassis: Amtran / International
Engine: DT466E HT 250HP - Md3060
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This is the roof raise I did on my bus.
Build thread
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03-14-2023, 08:01 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: VA, Clarke & Greene Counties
Posts: 287
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: VIN = 1T7HR3B2311090770
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: ~72
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I like that! And plan on something similar.
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03-14-2023, 01:30 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 162
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466e 215hp Allison 2500
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ewo1
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That shape looks good to me, you really did a good job reinforcing that area.
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03-14-2023, 01:32 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 162
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466e 215hp Allison 2500
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeMac
Also, check out TinTapping's Albulm. They did a terrific job of utilizing the space, above the rear engine.
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Wow that took some imagination, really like it!
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03-16-2023, 01:55 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2022
Location: Lost
Posts: 63
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Thanks for the responses, mostly trying to sort out time savings, function, space, windows, vents. The list goes on but I'm starting to feel like leaving the front and back caps factory and just raising the center may be my best option.
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03-16-2023, 05:04 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Earth
Posts: 140
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Cummins 5.9 ISB 24v
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This is what I did for the roof raise transition. I didn't want / like the look of the flat forehead style So I went for the angled transition.
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03-16-2023, 02:55 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: arkensaw
Posts: 879
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: 71 now 2 humans 1 cat
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i wanted to have al least some aerodynamics so i used this plan
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03-20-2023, 09:08 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: arkensaw
Posts: 879
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: 71 now 2 humans 1 cat
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I guess to find out how much that additional flat space would screw up your airflow you could cut a piece of plywood the same size as your raise then stand in back of a pickup truck and have your (trusted) buddy drive at 25 then 35 then 45 and see how high you can go. Be sure to get vidio
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03-20-2023, 10:50 AM
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#14
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 162
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466e 215hp Allison 2500
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TucsonAZ
Thanks for the responses, mostly trying to sort out time savings, function, space, windows, vents. The list goes on but I'm starting to feel like leaving the front and back caps factory and just raising the center may be my best option.
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That's a good idea, I think that would look pretty nice!
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