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10-25-2019, 06:02 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Sheet metal for after roof raise
What type and gauge of sheet metal is good for covering the sides of the bus after raising the roof? And is it ok to use aluminum channels and L brackets to connect top and bottom window frame channels?
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10-25-2019, 10:17 PM
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#2
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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18ga is perfect.
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10-25-2019, 10:29 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
18ga is perfect.
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Thank you Sir. Should it be aluminum or steel?
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10-25-2019, 10:30 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinn and Bare it
Thank you Sir. Should it be aluminum or steel?
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I prefer steel. Its cheap, easy to work with, I can weld to it, and it doesn't cause any galvanic reaction with itself. Mixing al and steel can cause a reaction.
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10-25-2019, 10:59 PM
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#5
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Gotcha! Thanks for the Intel!
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10-25-2019, 11:59 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Manitoba Canada
Posts: 143
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Tomas
Engine: 7.3l
Rated Cap: 72
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Steel
I used 18guage, picked up end roll for couple hundred bucks. More then needed but it'll get used
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10-26-2019, 09:06 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Where can I find a roll like that?
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10-26-2019, 09:14 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Moved to Zealand!
Posts: 1,517
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freightliner FS-65
Engine: 7.2L Cat 3126 turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 71 passenger 30,000 gvwr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinn and Bare it
Thank you Sir. Should it be aluminum or steel?
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Galvanic corrosion -- google it!
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10-26-2019, 09:22 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinn and Bare it
Where can I find a roll like that?
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Check with your local steel suppliers.
I got 4x10's for 60 each.
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10-26-2019, 10:13 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogpondfoug
I used 18guage, picked up end roll for couple hundred bucks. More then needed but it'll get used
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How should I search for a roll like that? Everywhere over looked so far only has sheets of 4x8 or 4x10 but no rolls
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10-26-2019, 10:17 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Check with your local steel suppliers.
I got 4x10's for 60 each.
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Wow! That's a great price! I might have to drive up to Eustis. Everything I saw was was almost $200 for a 4x10.
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10-26-2019, 10:17 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogpondfoug
I used 18guage, picked up end roll for couple hundred bucks. More then needed but it'll get used
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Why is it green?
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10-26-2019, 10:18 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinn and Bare it
Wow! That's a great price! I might have to drive up to Eustis. Everything I saw was was almost $200 for a 4x10.
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I even scored 3 more of cold rolled for 65 each.
I can order you some, just let me know and i'll get you a price. It fluctuates but should be right around the prices mentioned.
I get it at wholesale cost.
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10-26-2019, 10:21 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hollywood, Florida
Posts: 72
Year: soon
Coachwork: Bluebird or Thomas
Chassis: Probably International
Engine: Narrowing it down
Rated Cap: 65-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I even scored 3 more of cold rolled for 65 each.
I can order you some, just let me know and i'll get you a price. It fluctuates but should be right around the prices mentioned.
I get it at wholesale cost.
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Cool! Thank you so much! I'll get back to you as soon as I get my bus and measurements. 😉
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10-27-2019, 04:14 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I even scored 3 more of cold rolled for 65 each.
I can order you some, just let me know and i'll get you a price. It fluctuates but should be right around the prices mentioned.
I get it at wholesale cost.
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When we get settled in, I'll be looking at YOU for a source!
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10-27-2019, 06:38 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Native
When we get settled in, I'll be looking at YOU for a source!
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Sooner the better! 
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10-28-2019, 01:14 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,856
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Thomas Built Bus
Chassis: Freightliner FS65
Engine: Caterpillar 3126E Diesel
Rated Cap: 71 Passenger- 30,000 lbs.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Sooner the better! |
Keep that fire stoked, we'll be there soon.
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10-31-2019, 08:01 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2006
Location: mid Mo.
Posts: 872
Year: 1976
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: F33695
Engine: 427 chevy converted to 466
Rated Cap: 84
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HVAC companies buy galvanized steel in rolls and different gauges so you can get steel in any length from one of them. I wouldn't recommend installing your inside steel paneling in one long sheet, the manufacturers don't and the reason is oil canning, rippling and pooching.
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10-31-2019, 10:54 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Wright City MO
Posts: 280
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins/Allison
Rated Cap: 74
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I used prepainted aluminum trailer repair panels I used panel bonding adhesive and minimal rivets I have been working on cars trucks buses and semi trailers for over 40 years and although I have seen many strange things on many units I have never seen 1 not 1 example of "galvanic corrosion" on any thing I have ever worked on and that included many steel ribbed aluminum covered and repair patched trailers I have never seen aluminum rivets "rust"in steel supports and structure.I am not saying it can't happen but in over 40 years I've not seen it. The prepainted panels are the industry norm 4x9 panels and enough to do 14" roof raise with window delete on a 74 pass TC2000 was about $480 no prepainting no priming, steel if not prepped almost perfectly will not bond well with primer and galvanized steel is a nightmare to finish.
Gene
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Its hard to be wrong when you live in Wright City!
There is no mechanical problem that cannot be overcome by a skillfully applied combination of brute force and ignorance!
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10-31-2019, 11:15 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gdog 5651
I used prepainted aluminum trailer repair panels I used panel bonding adhesive and minimal rivets I have been working on cars trucks buses and semi trailers for over 40 years and although I have seen many strange things on many units I have never seen 1 not 1 example of "galvanic corrosion" on any thing I have ever worked on and that included many steel ribbed aluminum covered and repair patched trailers I have never seen aluminum rivets "rust"in steel supports and structure.I am not saying it can't happen but in over 40 years I've not seen it. The prepainted panels are the industry norm 4x9 panels and enough to do 14" roof raise with window delete on a 74 pass TC2000 was about $480 no prepainting no priming, steel if not prepped almost perfectly will not bond well with primer and galvanized steel is a nightmare to finish.
Gene
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I wish I had heard from you sooner.
I would have taken pictures of the remains of the aluminum rivets that were used on a repair on my Bluebird. They were deteriorated to the point that I was able to punch some of them with a small screwdriver..
I have not seen very many issues on cars or trucks. But, in a saltwater environment, I have seen plenty of boats.
If I did any more aluminum rivets on my bus I will post pics.
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