Swapping Wheels

nighttrain79 · 04-19-2017, 01:41 PM

Hello everyone,

I just purchased a 1975 IH Loadstar 1600, 8 windows bus. I do believe it has Dayton style wheels with split rims. My understanding is that these style of wheels are dangerous and should probably be replaced with a solid style wheel.

Is this an option? How about tires?

Thank You for your input

Njsurf73 · 04-19-2017, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nighttrain79

Hello everyone,

I just purchased a 1975 IH Loadstar 1600, 8 windows bus. I do believe it has Dayton style wheels with split rims. My understanding is that these style of wheels are dangerous and should probably be replaced with a solid style wheel.

Is this an option? How about tires?

Thank You for your input

I think to get away from Dayton style wheels involves changing out axles. But I know there are Dayton wheels that aren't split rims.

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nighttrain79 · 04-19-2017, 02:02 PM

Good to know. I definitely do not want to swap axles, too much $$$! I am going to snap pics and post them for help in identifying my setup and hopefully options.

Thanks

nighttrain79 · 04-19-2017, 08:37 PM

I took some photos of both front & rear wheels/tires. I could really use some help determining what my options are for upgrading wheels without having to swap an axle. Thank You.

Robin97396 · 04-19-2017, 08:54 PM

Those are split ring. I'm pretty sure you can get more modern solid rims in the Dayton style. A lot of truckers preferred them when I was a kid. Preferred them over what? I think you can update your rims on those same axles. It's not that expensive to get six or seven modern rims at a truck junk yard. I paid $50 per wheel.

I've never bought a truck or bus with that Dayton type of wheels, on purpose. At the same time I have other split ring standard rims on older buses and trucks that work just fine.

bluebird90 · 04-19-2017, 11:36 PM

You can convert to budd style rims. You need the entire hub assys. You don't need to change axles. They need to match the axles you have. Your local wrecking yard and truck shop can lead you in the right direction. If you ger 10 bolt budds, you can go with 20 or 22.5 rims.

Clayton · 04-19-2017, 11:39 PM

Dayton are not dangerous. People confuse these with some older style rims that were dangerous. I prefer Dayton rims. You do need to be aware that when removing Dayton rims you need to loosen, but do not remove the lugs. Then hit the tire with a hammer to separate it. Then remove the lugs and wedges. If you don't follow that procedure the rim and/or wedges can hit you. Google this if you need to see how it done.

Rameses · 04-19-2017, 11:51 PM

Those are 20" rims. The rims you want are 22.5" Daytons. Obviously you'll have to get tires to fit the new wheels, but those wheels will fit the hubs you have.

With heavy duty wheels, if it's a round number (20", 22") it's a split rim. If it ends in a .5 (22.5", 24.5") it's a one piece rim. 22.5s and 24.5s come in both Dayton and Budd styles, but both are one piece wheels.

20" and 22.5" Dayton will fit on the same hub. 22" and 24.5" Dayton will fit on the same hub.

nighttrain79 · 04-19-2017, 11:52 PM

Thanks so far for all the great info. A couple of questions.

The current front tires are weather checked pretty bad so I definitely want to replace them. They are tube style and the Dayton wheels are split-ring, so are tube styles tires obsolete? Can I replace the wheels with single piece demount-able wheels? I can't seem to locate a suitable wheel based on a "modern" conversion. What do I need to make this work? I have looked at the offerings by Accuride but the recommended conversion is to go to a 22.5 x 6.75 single piece wheel which does not seem to exist. Is there a 2nd recommended tubeless Dayton wheel size I can go with?

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 12:13 AM

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so are tube styles tires obsolete? Can I replace the wheels with single piece demount-able wheels? I can't seem to locate a suitable wheel based on a "modern" conversion. What do I need to make this work? I have looked at the offerings by Accuride but the recommended conversion is to go to a 22.5 x 6.75 single piece wheel which does not seem to exist. Is there a 2nd recommended tubeless Dayton wheel size I can go with?

Yeah, they're pretty much obsolete. All you need to do the "conversion" is the new wheels and tires. You'll probably have an easier time finding 7.50 x 22.5 wheels and running 10 22.5 tires. Or you could go even easier and get 8.25 x 22.5 wheels (extremely common) with 295/75 22.5 tires (wider than 10 22.5s, but the same diameter) or 11 22.5s if you have room for them.

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 12:23 AM

Just noticed you have 8.25 20s on it now.

To keep roughly the same tire height, you'll probably want to go with a 255/70 22.5 on a 7.50 x 22.5 wheel.

nighttrain79 · 04-20-2017, 12:28 AM

Just saw your previous post, guess you answered my question, awesome help

Thank you Ramses. What would you recommend? I want to save money where I can so which wheel/tire setup is easiest on the bank account? I understand that if I can hit up the salvage yard then who knows how much I will save but if I have to buy new then what would you do? I don't want to push my luck with clearances and/or potential rubbing. Thoughts?

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 12:39 AM

Definitely try to find the wheels used.

Junkyards, craigslist, even eBay. I just switched from steel to aluminum wheels on my work truck and I was able to pick them up one at a time add I found them for cheap. Saved a ton of money over buying them new, even with paying for shipping on a couple of them.

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 12:41 AM

What part of the country are you in?

nighttrain79 · 04-20-2017, 12:48 AM

Thanks again, Not sure I will be able to track down the used stuff. I live in Northern British Columbia and well, even used parts come with a high cost up here but I will do my best. At least I know what I am looking for now.

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 12:52 AM

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Thanks again, Not sure I will be able to track down the used stuff. I live in Northern British Columbia and well, even used parts come with a high cost up here but I will do my best. At least I know what I am looking for now.

Yeah, that's a little ways away from me. I don't think I can do much to help keep an eye out for wheels for you. If I see anything online I'll make sure to post it here for you though.

Good luck, and let us know how it works out!

Njsurf73 · 04-20-2017, 07:21 AM

I may be in the minority here, but I will save money where I can... I won't skimp on my steer tires. My family and myself will be in it once it's done.
The rears, I would not have a problem with used or older tires, there is redundancy built in (imo).

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Rameses · 04-20-2017, 09:00 AM

I don't think you're in the minority on that at all.

As far as scavenging for cheap deals, I just meant the wheels. Definitely don't cut corners on steering tires.

BeeLDub · 04-20-2017, 11:04 AM

I currently have 10R20 Dayton split rims. What replacement would I look for to get away from the split rims (without changing hubs)?

I'm hoping whatever I switch to can accommodate a more common tire so that I can find them easier/cheaper

Rameses · 04-20-2017, 11:33 AM

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I currently have 10R20 Dayton split rims. What replacement would I look for to get away from the split rims (without changing hubs)?

I'm hoping whatever I switch to can accommodate a more common tire so that I can find them easier/cheaper

That one's easy.

Good ole 11R22.5 tires on 22.5 Dayton wheels. Very common size tire and wheel both.

That tire is the same height and width as the 10.00R20s you have on it now and the 22.5 wheel will mount to your existing hubs without changing any other parts.

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