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Old 01-07-2018, 03:25 PM   #161
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Another issue to be dealt with at some point:

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That's the ABS controller.

I'll figure out what it's telling me later, but a quick glance at the manual suggests it's nothing terminal.

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Old 01-07-2018, 03:27 PM   #162
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Meanwhile, three of the four passenger heaters are not out.

Retrieved about 2 gallons of coolant and spilled maybe half a pint.

That's not much until it is running all over a vinyl floor
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Old 01-07-2018, 04:50 PM   #163
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twigg - I bought a TCM that is capable of being tuned.. i am using EFIlive software to program it.. in my case the TCM is a 4th Gen ..it will drive a 1000 / 2000,

you can check with the likes of CAC or transmissiontuner.com and see if they might have one which will work with the 3060.
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Old 01-10-2018, 08:59 PM   #164
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Fourth of four passenger heaters is now out.

I collected and stored 4 gallons of coolant, and spilled maybe half a pint. I need to work out which hoses go where because 4 come in at the back of the bus and I need to pull them and find the correct two to re-route to the front heater.

Other two will either be looped or capped depending on how the coolant flows.

It's going to get cold again, just as I have four days off work so I am wondering how to proceed.

I have decided to take up the original vinyl. It's in great shape all over, but it is contributing very little. It's about 3/16th inch thick and must weigh over 300lbs ... so it can come out. it is glued down, but so was the vinyls over the wheel arches, and that pulled up very easily so it will probably take all of 30 mins to get it out.

So then I have a choice. After a good clean I can either buy and fit the insulation and new plywood floor, or I can continue the demo and remove the inner skins (walls and ceilings). I'm not ready to remove the windows yet as I want warmer weather to set them into new sealant, and we might paint when the windows are out which also needs the weather dry and above 50F.

So if I demo, I'll have to cut the side panels right below the windows. No biggie.

All the panels are screwed in, walls and ceiling. No idea whether or not those screws will actually move. We will see.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:30 AM   #165
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Common sense suggests they would offer leeway up to 80 mph, but common-sense isn't always a corporate policy.
It's also common sense that just because I built a 200mph bus that it is up to the driver not to drive 200mph in a 35mph zone.

Just saying...
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:09 AM   #166
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It's also common sense that just because I built a 200mph bus that it is up to the driver not to drive 200mph in a 35mph zone.

Just saying...
I agree. Hiding behind liability is just hiding.

I wonder how far I would get suing Yamaha if I was caught hitting the 155 mph top speed on my motorcycle.
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It's not just the liability. It's the fact that they are forced to represent themselves in court against spurious accusations of situations that are actually caused by a lack of common sense.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:37 PM   #168
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It's not just the liability. It's the fact that they are forced to represent themselves in court against spurious accusations of situations that are actually caused by a lack of common sense.
Where's the guy that dug the iron ore out of the ground? What about the guy that built the road? The guy that drilled the oil?


The judge should throw everyone out of the court room except the driver. Common sense test has to be passed before you get to become a judge.
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The judge isn't the problem. Someone finds an ambulance chaser lawyer and files in court, then the judge has to look at it to decide if it has any merit. It's a waste of the court's time, but the big corporations don't want the bad press from a David and Goliath court case even if logic is on their side.
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:52 PM   #170
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The judge isn't the problem. Someone finds an ambulance chaser lawyer and files in court, then the judge has to look at it to decide if it has any merit. It's a waste of the court's time, but the big corporations don't want the bad press from a David and Goliath court case even if logic is on their side.
When the judge charges the lawyer for the court cost when there is no merit, the lawyer will quit chasing ambulances. Or go broke. Either way I wouldn't lose any sleep.
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They don't have to pay extra because they're ambulance chasing bad lawyers, but that would solve a lot of problems in court. All that wasted court time costs you and me big time.

And now we return to our regularly scheduled programming.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:54 PM   #172
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... back to the bus

I forgot to mention ...

The four gallons of coolant I saved appears to be in excellent condition. Bright green, feels slippery and contained no signs of rust or anything other than coolant.

I haven't tested it but its appearance bodes well for the internal condition of the cooling system.

Now to go investigate the heater circuits ready for capping or looping hoses. I think I have enough hose to re-route under the bus. Good thing, I saw the price of that stuff.
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I donít think itís a question of following the speed limit or not. I think itís a question of the inherent design capability of the vehicle. If Allison authorized a change that allowed the vehicle to go outside of its design envelope, a valid case could be brought against Allison for going outside of what the OEM said was safe. Donít get me wrong I totally share your frustration. It was a pain to have to go through all of that red tape just to get the transmission to do something it was designed to do in the first place.


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I donít think itís a question of following the speed limit or not. I think itís a question of the inherent design capability of the vehicle. If Allison authorized a change that allowed the vehicle to go outside of its design envelope, a valid case could be brought against Allison for going outside of what the OEM said was safe. Donít get me wrong I totally share your frustration. It was a pain to have to go through all of that red tape just to get the transmission to do something it was designed to do in the first place.


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It's a decent argument, and I would wholly accept it if the same applied to the manufacturers of other road vehicles that are clearly designed to exceed the engineering constraints of the highway system.
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All things being equal, people that sell hotrod parts would also have huge liability issues.
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It's a decent argument, and I would wholly accept it if the same applied to the manufacturers of other road vehicles that are clearly designed to exceed the engineering constraints of the highway system.


I donít think it is about the design of the highway system. Itís about the speed the bus itself is designed for.


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Old 01-11-2018, 07:35 PM   #177
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Buses run all sorts of speeds. They have a medium-truck rating on a substantial chassis.

If Allison could be sued simply for an overdrive gear, why couldn't Yamaha be sued for producing a motorcycle that is capable of exceeding the design criteria of the roads it was produced for?

The answer is because the lawsuit would be frivolous, and thrown out.
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It's not that your innocent that's the punishment today, it's the process that's the punishment. Thusly why companies restrict stuff. If the decision was "speedy" like it's supposed to be, the verdict would be the end of it. However, continuances make the process the punishment......

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It's a decent argument, and I would wholly accept it if the same applied to the manufacturers of other road vehicles that are clearly designed to exceed the engineering constraints of the highway system.
It's NOT a valid argument. If they were all that worried, then why did they add the parts, labor, coding, and infrastructure to lock and unlock a gear that would get them sued? As Robin and/or Chris pointed out, it's not locked out in a dump truck and other vehicles. Once the school bus is decommissioned, how the hell does Allison, Thomas, or anyone else know I'm not using the bus as a dump truck?
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All things being equal, people that sell hotrod parts would also have huge liability issues.
and you can buy allison parts to make your bus go fasdter just like the hot-rodders do.... Dodge wont turn up the computer on my HEMI, but I surely can buy parts to do it myself..

just like I bought parts to make my bus have a 6 speed allison trans in it....

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