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06-19-2015, 08:11 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 12
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your input please?
Hello everyone!
I am about to start a conversion....and I think I have found the bus to use.
It is a 1991 Thomas MVP 78 PAX
It has the 8.3 Cummins Turbo
Allison 643 5 speed with locking torque converter
160,000 miles
BUT they want over $9000.
I am thinking that is a little overpriced?
But if I can talk him down some....
Is this a horrible bus or not bad to start with?
Thanks!
-Cosimo
--Ignorance is curable...
--Stupidity is forever.
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06-19-2015, 10:18 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Montana
Posts: 65
Year: 1990
Coachwork: happy camper RV repair
Chassis: international
Engine: 360 international
Rated Cap: 66 passenger
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Allison 643 will be a 4 speed the six denotes the series the 4 is the speeds 3 is the number of major update it's had but you picked a good one as far as the specs go 8.3 is the best engine they built
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06-19-2015, 10:19 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Montana
Posts: 65
Year: 1990
Coachwork: happy camper RV repair
Chassis: international
Engine: 360 international
Rated Cap: 66 passenger
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Nine grand is too much for a 1991
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06-19-2015, 10:36 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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dang, I need to buy a bus for $2500 and sell it to you for $7500... I'd even drive it to you for that kind of profit! Greyhound ride home is cheap!
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06-19-2015, 11:06 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I agree with Milkmania... Entirely.
That bus is worth like 4k on a really good day. A REALLY good day.
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06-20-2015, 12:21 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 12
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Thank you!
I appreciate your input!
I will see if I can talk him down a bit. I thought he was asking a bit much.
Thanks for letting me know.
Hey Milkmania, let me know when you find the same bus for 2500...I'd buy your bus ticket home!
@rvingoffgrid : the specs said 4 speed, the description said 5...I was not sure which was the typo. Thanks for letting me know which it really is. I am slowly learning.
So, good bus, bad price. THANKS!
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06-20-2015, 12:44 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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06-20-2015, 12:51 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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06-20-2015, 12:52 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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06-20-2015, 02:21 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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You can't compare a dog nose with a 444E with an AT545 and a flat front with a Cummins 8.3 with a MT643 but 9 grand is still a ripoff.
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06-20-2015, 02:59 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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touché, I didn't see where he said SAME bus.... until I reread it
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06-20-2015, 05:40 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cosimo
I appreciate your input!
I will see if I can talk him down a bit. I thought he was asking a bit much.
Thanks for letting me know.
Hey Milkmania, let me know when you find the same bus for 2500...I'd buy your bus ticket home!
@rvingoffgrid : the specs said 4 speed, the description said 5...I was not sure which was the typo. Thanks for letting me know which it really is. I am slowly learning.
So, good bus, bad price. THANKS!
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my 92 Ward is a flat nose, with 643. I paid 2150 out the door for this bus. Bought it on GovDeals in November.
I'd sell you mine for double what I paid....
9 Grand oughta buy one FULLY converted.
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06-20-2015, 09:25 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Here's a 1990 Thomas MVP pusher on GovDeals. The auction was relisted, the first time around bidding got up to around $3,000 IIRC. It's got the 3208 Cat and an Allison AT545.
1990 Thomas Bus - GovDeals.com
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06-20-2015, 09:35 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I literally laughed out loud at this, its from that listing-
Quote:
Q: Does this bus come equipped with the roaling coal package? (6/4/15 11:20 AM)
A: no this unit was modified to provide an electrical shock to driver when attempted (6/5/15 7:20 AM)
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06-20-2015, 09:58 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I literally laughed out loud at this, its from that listing-
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Hahaha just noticed it!! Hilarious, glad to see the seller has a sense of humor.
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06-20-2015, 10:00 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: EHT New Jersey
Posts: 1,134
Year: 2003
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International 3000RE
Engine: T444E/AT545
Rated Cap: 75
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I love snark like that
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06-20-2015, 10:54 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 12
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Thanks for the research Milkmania!
But yes, I am looking for a rear-engine flat nose bus to start with.
I looked at the one on GovDeals . I am not that familiar with the CAT engines. The 3208 is a V8 and displaces more than the I6 Cummins 8.3 from what I have seen so far. Does that sound right?
How does the 3208 do in the hills?
Is it as easily tweaked as the Cummins is to get a little more power from it?
Not looking to start a Cat vs Cummins vs Detroit argument. I see that all over the place. I will take any of them. I just do not want to feel the urge to get out and push in order to get us over a hill.
I know, the transmission has a lot do with the the performance as well, but it starts with the engine.
When I get back online later tonight I will look through GovDeals some more and see what else is out there. Thanks for reminding me about that place EastCoastCB.
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06-20-2015, 11:45 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Montana
Posts: 65
Year: 1990
Coachwork: happy camper RV repair
Chassis: international
Engine: 360 international
Rated Cap: 66 passenger
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I buy a lot of buses from insurance auctions the last one i got for 800 by the time the fees where done i had like 1000 in it had to buy a new hood and bumper. so total i had 1800 in it has 11234 miles on it 2000 freight liner with 5.9 cummings at545 allison and a wheelchair lift no seats. put new gabriel shocks on it couldn't stand the bounce of the leaf springs on the little bus.
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06-20-2015, 12:19 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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As has been mentioned already, when new, a front engine dog nose bus with a 5.9 cummins and a AT545 trans cost over $40,000 less than the HDT rear engine flat nose bus with a Cummins 8.3 and MD3060.
So $2000 for a old TC 2000 with the basic engine and trans, would make the big bus with the best of everything cost $6000 and up.
I would have no issue paying up to $10,000 for a nearly perfect bus with the best of everything.
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Originally Posted by cosimo
Not looking to start a Cat vs Cummins vs Detroit argument. I see that all over the place. I will take any of them. I just do not want to feel the urge to get out and push in order to get us over a hill.
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Are you made of money?
If not you best skip the Cat engines and the Detroit's.
Cost wise the Cummins and the DT engines rule the fleet.
Nat
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