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Old 05-11-2024, 12:53 PM   #1
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Location: Indiana
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Year: 1970
Coachwork: Eastern Coach
Chassis: VRT/SL3/2176
Engine: Gardner 6LXB - Detroit Diesel
Double Decker Bus for sale *Updated Price*

So my wife and I bit off way more than we can chew with this project. We had a limited time rare opportunity and I was in a manic state so we jumped into a huge project with zero experience. You can see the little progress we made and more pictures/videos on our instagram page Double_Decked_Out.

Price: $3,000

Location: Anderson, IN

Detailed description:

Dimentions: 13.5'tall, edge of mirrors 9 1/2' wide, 33' long approx.
Year: 1970
Chassis: VRT/SL3/2176
Body: ECW 24138 Series 2
Engine: Gardner 6LXB - Detroit Diesel
Configuration: H43/31F

Pertinent maintenance and condition information:

Bus is in the middle of demolition.

Two windows have been destroyed by child vandals and the passenger windshield is cracked. (Broken windows top floor passenger side front window and bottom floor rear window.) All bottom floor windows with exception of windshields have been removed for cleaning and reinstallation, but have not been put back in yet.

Bus ran about 5 years ago and has not been started since. Unsure if it runs or not, people told us not to try until someone looks at it because it could burn its own oil and be destroyed.
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Old 05-22-2024, 06:42 PM   #2
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Hi. I might be interested. I would love to see more pictures. I live in Grand county Co, and will need to know more about the engine, etc. It sounds like it needs to go to the shop first. Let me know the best way to contact you.
Many thanks
Janet
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Old 05-22-2024, 07:11 PM   #3
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Hi. I might be interested. I would love to see more pictures. I live in Grand county Co, and will need to know more about the engine, etc. It sounds like it needs to go to the shop first. Let me know the best way to contact you.
Many thanks
Janet
Send me an email and I'll give you my phone number through that srhorn92@gmail.com. Texting would probably work best
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Old 05-26-2024, 03:01 PM   #4
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Ty, I have emailed you. Sorry for the delay, I have been unwell.
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Old 05-26-2024, 06:45 PM   #5
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There's an easy way to stop that.

"people told us not to try until someone looks at it because it could burn its own oil and be destroyed."


Have a piece of plywood big enough to cover the intake, then cover the intake if it starts to run away. It will suck that plywood right down on to it and starve the engine of air.


For something as small as a gasoline lawnmower engine with a broken linkage, you can use your hat.


Uh, yeah, that happened.
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Old 05-27-2024, 02:01 PM   #6
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any diesel could runaway. but I thought a gardner was not likely to suck its own oil as it doesnt have a turbo or blower and is 4 stroke.. at least i thought the bus engines were 4 stroke.. and only their real big stuff was 2 stroke..



the pic confuses me but it looks more like a Detroit 4-71 then it foes a gardner 6.. maybe it got detroit swapped at some point?



detroit 2 strokes can run away in a couple ways.. the most common is the rack gets stuck so it just goes wide open fuel regardless of the RPM.. the governor mechanism doesnt work and it flies apart ...
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Old 05-28-2024, 12:33 AM   #7
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Year: 1990
Coachwork: Crown, integral. (With 2kW of tiltable solar)
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the pic confuses me but it looks more like a Detroit 4-71 then it foes a gardner 6.. maybe it got detroit swapped at some point?
That's definitely the left side of a non-turbo Detroit 4-71, so that bus would be a slug with it compared to the ample low-end torque from a Gardner 6LX. I can't imagine a VR with a frenetic two-stroke engine - I've ridden many a mile in VRs, and the Gardner (or a grunty Leyland 0.680) just sounds right in them!

I fear that bus will be scrapped: there's far too much work needed to make it viable again.

John
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Old 05-28-2024, 06:27 AM   #8
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That's definitely the left side of a non-turbo Detroit 4-71, so that bus would be a slug with it compared to the ample low-end torque from a Gardner 6LX. I can't imagine a VR with a frenetic two-stroke engine - I've ridden many a mile in VRs, and the Gardner (or a grunty Leyland 0.680) just sounds right in them!

I fear that bus will be scrapped: there's far too much work needed to make it viable again.

John

if that had a gardner 6LX in it someone would likely be more than willing to scoop it up... there seems to be a lot of legend around thise engines ..albeit I always thought they were a boat engine but I guess in UK they were vehicle engines too
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Old 05-28-2024, 10:45 PM   #9
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if that had a gardner 6LX in it someone would likely be more than willing to scoop it up... there seems to be a lot of legend around thise engines ..albeit I always thought they were a boat engine but I guess in UK they were vehicle engines too
Gardners were used in many UK buses, and they even powered some small shunting locomotives. When Gardner-engined buses were scrapped their engines would often be exported to Asia for reuse in boats. They truly were legendary engines.

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