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02-08-2017, 11:53 AM
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#61
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Ah ok. It doesn't have the center pull "tab". These are tiny versions of the I beam rivets you see in the old movies.
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Yep. Bridges, skyscrapers, ships, airplanes, they were used in a bunch of stuff. (Still used in airplanes.)
Here's an old railroad bridge in Durham that I snapped a picture of awhile back..
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02-08-2017, 12:43 PM
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#62
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Rusty
Yes-, but you need long arms, as you have to back the mushroom side with a buck, while your gun smushes the pin side into a blob.
-Sorry about technical terms.
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Yes, MuddaEarth had the gf/wife/main squeeze doing that.
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02-08-2017, 12:45 PM
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#63
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Rameses
Yep. Bridges, skyscrapers, ships, airplanes, they were used in a bunch of stuff. (Still used in airplanes.)
Here's an old railroad bridge in Durham that I snapped a picture of awhile back..
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Those I'm guessing they also used a lot of fire on the back side to help the blobbing.
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02-08-2017, 01:16 PM
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#64
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Smarta$s!!
He needs to paint it silver and then glue diamonds into the open rivets.
I think it's because it's a Ward. Don't have those around here and his first was a shorty. Caddy has two shorties and these two are in cahoots all the time.
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I've never owned a shorty till last week dude. I think you've gotten confused.
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02-08-2017, 01:29 PM
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#65
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I've never owned a shorty till last week dude. I think you've gotten confused.
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Apparently!! I thought you started with a shortie and just bought a long bus.
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02-08-2017, 01:33 PM
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#66
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Apparently!! I thought you started with a shortie and just bought a long bus.
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Nope- first was a 40' Thomas with a Ford gasser and 545, total dog. Sold it when the code violations stacked up.
10 years or more pass by and I got a 92 Senator/AmTran. Love it even though its crusty. Its got a lot of great features, bells and whistles.
Picked up a short bus last week to pull the landscaping equipment I use three days a week and to take on trips around the state on weekends. A "field trip/work bus".
I don't even have to pull any seats or do anything to it to be legal. It can be enjoyed as-is!
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02-08-2017, 01:56 PM
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#67
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Nope- first was a 40' Thomas with a Ford gasser and 545, total dog. Sold it when the code violations stacked up.
10 years or more pass by and I got a 92 Senator/AmTran. Love it even though its crusty. Its got a lot of great features, bells and whistles.
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There we go... gasser = shortie why in the hell would anyone put a gasser in a 40 ft bus?!??! And Senator, what the hell is that? Not Blue Bird, not International, not Thomas so it's either one of them weird West Coast bus like the Gilling (sp) or a short bus.
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I don't even have to pull any seats or do anything to it to be legal. It can be enjoyed as-is!
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The seats are staying or already out? If staying, are you hauling around employees? I don't know even MD laws but I could see them being a bunch of douchenoodles if you got in a wreck without a CDL simply because an employee got hurt. FL isn't as retarded with stuff but still.
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02-08-2017, 02:07 PM
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#68
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
There we go... gasser = shortie why in the hell would anyone put a gasser in a 40 ft bus?!??! And Senator, what the hell is that? Not Blue Bird, not International, not Thomas so it's either one of them weird West Coast bus like the Gilling (sp) or a short bus.
The seats are staying or already out? If staying, are you hauling around employees? I don't know even MD laws but I could see them being a bunch of douchenoodles if you got in a wreck without a CDL simply because an employee got hurt. FL isn't as retarded with stuff but still.
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Its my personal vehicle, insured as such.
If it seated 15 or more i'd need a cdl in FL.
Employees?? LOL I'm self employed and work for a buddy a few days a week. My dog may go to work with me on occasion.
Senator was a model build by Ward in the early 90's. They were bought by International and renamed as the AmTran Genesis.
The 40' gasser was free. I wouldn't take another.
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02-08-2017, 09:41 PM
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#69
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 5
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02-09-2017, 01:05 AM
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#70
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dallas.garrison
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If it is as clean as it looks in the pics and has no issues I don't think the price is out of line.
I picked up one of similar spec but a few more miles (128k) for $2500 last October. I recently saw bidding on one go over $6000 on Ebay.
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02-09-2017, 03:41 AM
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#71
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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A Ford with a 6.0L diesel is not bargain no matter how low the price might be.
A Chevy/GMC of nearly the same vintage with a 6.0L gas is going to get about 1 MPG less, have about the same amount of go, and it won't have the added aggravation of a diesel engine.
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02-09-2017, 07:01 AM
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#72
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dallas.garrison
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If youre RICH or an ace mechanic the 6.0 Ford may be just the thing for you. Not so much for the rest of us.
I know guys who've lost tens of thousands on those engines.
I'd pay more for an older one with a 7.3
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02-09-2017, 07:02 AM
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#73
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
A Ford with a 6.0L diesel is not bargain no matter how low the price might be.
A Chevy/GMC of nearly the same vintage with a 6.0L gas is going to get about 1 MPG less, have about the same amount of go, and it won't have the added aggravation of a diesel engine.
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A GM 6.0 is a great engine!!! Our work truck has one and its survived 250,000 miles of solid abuse.
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