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06-20-2017, 12:08 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
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ISO Alternator brackets for 22SI on 5.9
Millicent needs an upgrade from her wimpy "car" alternator to a better one.
Albatross has the much better Delco 22SI alternator, so I figure I will use the same on Millicent.
Trouble is, the brackets are different, since the 22SI is larger.
So I'm in search of those brackets.
Will try to post photos tomorrow.
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06-20-2017, 12:54 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliot Naess
Millicent needs an upgrade from her wimpy "car" alternator to a better one.
Albatross has the much better Delco 22SI alternator, so I figure I will use the same on Millicent.
Trouble is, the brackets are different, since the 22SI is larger.
So I'm in search of those brackets.
Will try to post photos tomorrow.
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https://www.dieselconversion.com/alt...2-cummins.html
They may have something. They have that bracket to mount a Ford alternator on a Dodge 5.9
Maybe look for the bracket first and then find the alternator you can make work?
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06-20-2017, 07:16 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
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Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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what about a Bosch SB200 series? they will fit on standard "car-style" alternator mounts and will get you 200 amps...
there are lots of SKU's in the series.. seems to be about one for everything.. they are designed to give high percentage of output at low alternator RPM.
-Christopher
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06-20-2017, 08:26 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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I will look into these. But I'm thinking it would make more sense to use the Blue Bird setup, identical to what I have on Albatross.
The Ford conversion is intended for Dodge pickups. And I believe there are differences between that version of the 5,9 and the commercial version -- though I don't know what those differences are. So it could be a can of worms.
I could fab the brackets, but I would have to disassemble the Albatross setup to copy it. And precision matters with belt alignment and tension.
No hurry. This is for next time I replace this darned thing.
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06-20-2017, 10:05 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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The bluebird version only difference is the front cover. It is wider towards the right (driver side in an FE) to accommodate the air pump.
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06-20-2017, 10:40 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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On both of mine, which are front engine, the air compressor is on the left (driver side), and the alternator on the right (passenger).
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06-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Ahhh
That's interesting. Seems there are even different versions for Bluebird.
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06-20-2017, 05:26 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
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Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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There are tons of small differences between Millicent and Albatross. Certainly more than I would have expected for two buses that are only two years apart.
It seems likely that they were built at different plants. This may be possible to determine from the VIN, but I have not bothered.
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06-20-2017, 05:55 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,704
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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obn FE or CE style school busses ive never seen the air brake compressor on the opassenger side.. I just figured it was because all the tanks and such are always on the driver side..
-Christopher
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06-20-2017, 08:47 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
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Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Well, there is a first time for everything, they say.
And a pair of first here.
Albatross, 1994 BB.
Millicent, 1992 BB.
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07-04-2017, 05:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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07-04-2017, 08:33 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Do you have or know someone that has a welding machine? Looks easy enough to make.
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07-04-2017, 08:35 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
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Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
Do you have or know someone that has a welding machine? Looks easy enough to make.
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Your asking the guy who fabs pedal driven contraptions and is building an airplane/bus mashup... Lol
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07-04-2017, 08:40 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
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fa·ce·tious
fəˈsēSHəs/
adjective
adjective: facetious
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
synonyms:flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, ironic, sardonic, joking, jokey, jocular, playful, sportive, teasing, mischievous; witty, amusing, funny, droll, comic, comical, lighthearted, jocose
"unfortunately, they took my facetious remarks seriously"
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07-04-2017, 09:09 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
fa·ce·tious
fəˈsēSHəs/
adjective
adjective: facetious
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
synonyms:flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, ironic, sardonic, joking, jokey, jocular, playful, sportive, teasing, mischievous; witty, amusing, funny, droll, comic, comical, lighthearted, jocose
"unfortunately, they took my facetious remarks seriously"
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Hahaha. I did. Sorry.
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07-04-2017, 10:39 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,704
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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if its just not long enough you can use a spacer.. ive seen kits for adapting alternators that came with spacers just for that purpose.
-Christopher
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07-04-2017, 10:53 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
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Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Of course I could fab these three pieces. But why spend my rather precious time left on Earth that way, if I can spend it on something more creative?
Photo from a couple weekends ago at a "race" in Oregon. We were slowest, but we completed the two-day course without a single demerit.
We bleeping FLEW over that gravel-mud-water obstacle in the photo.
That's the kind of stuff I enjoy fabricating. When that thing is finished, it will resemble a motorcycle with a sidecar. It's just a raw chassis now.
(Me in straw hat. Much younger man in sidecar.)
All pedal-powered, yes. And amphibious.
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07-04-2017, 11:04 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,704
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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that thing is bad ass!! Id love to ride it!!
-Christopher
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07-05-2017, 12:31 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,529
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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We are moving at maybe 1/2 MPH.
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07-05-2017, 08:31 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Sweeeet!. Now...if it just had a little 350 Chevy dropped in there...
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