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06-26-2018, 03:29 PM
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#3921
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Montana/Texas
Posts: 682
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Crown by Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: 230 HP DT 466e/MT 643!
Rated Cap: 16
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Too little power.
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06-26-2018, 06:16 PM
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#3922
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glenncooper
Hello WIBlueBird. Just curious about the issues with this engine in a pusher. I’m pretty new to all of this, and still sucking in as much info as I can, so I’d love to understand this.
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The 444E is a great engine by itself. Put it in a 30 some foot long bus and it has trouble getting out of its own way. Find one with a DT466 or a Cummins 8.3
Does anyone know if or when Montgomery County will be selling their buses this year? Are they gonna be MB diesels or still CATs?
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06-26-2018, 07:19 PM
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#3923
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 347
Year: 1999
Coachwork: American Cargo 14'L x 7'8"W x 7'H Box
Chassis: Ford E350 Cutaway
Engine: 7.3L Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 11500 lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbloem1974
Too little power.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
The 444E is a great engine by itself. Put it in a 30 some foot long bus and it has trouble getting out of its own way. Find one with a DT466 or a Cummins 8.3
Does anyone know if or when Montgomery County will be selling their buses this year? Are they gonna be MB diesels or still CATs?
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Thanks for the info. I have a T444E in a 26' box truck and even loaded for bear it moves the truck alright (after restoring the whole cooling systems). But I had no idea how much heavier buses can be. Vlads weight on his trip East was an eye opener
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06-26-2018, 11:48 PM
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#3924
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Almost There
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 92
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GM CV 6600 I think lol
Engine: 3126 A Caterpillar AT2400
Rated Cap: 54 ps
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can I post my skoolies for sale in this thread?
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06-26-2018, 11:55 PM
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#3925
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lemmeskoolu
can I post my skoolies for sale in this thread?
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Aren't you affiliated? Post them in the classifieds.
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06-27-2018, 07:18 AM
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#3926
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Almost There
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 92
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GM CV 6600 I think lol
Engine: 3126 A Caterpillar AT2400
Rated Cap: 54 ps
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ohhh ok skoolie.net afliated 
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06-27-2018, 07:30 AM
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#3927
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Central Michigan
Posts: 30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbloem1974
Too little power.
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Soooo....if it were a front engine would it be more powerful?
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06-27-2018, 09:33 AM
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#3928
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lemmeskoolu
ohhh ok skoolie.net afliated |
You would get better exposure by making an ad for each bus if you have more than one.
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06-27-2018, 09:37 AM
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#3929
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Montana/Texas
Posts: 682
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Crown by Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: 230 HP DT 466e/MT 643!
Rated Cap: 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pouncer
Soooo....if it were a front engine would it be more powerful?
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No, I meant to say it would be not enough power in a full size bus regardless of it being a front engine or rear engine. I guess I should have said that from the get go. Sorry for any confusion...
John
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06-27-2018, 11:48 AM
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#3931
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pouncer
Soooo....if it were a front engine would it be more powerful?
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Rear engine buses tend to be larger in size, so it would be underpowered for that size whether FE or RE.
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06-27-2018, 12:07 PM
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#3932
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Central Michigan
Posts: 30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Rear engine buses tend to be larger in size, so it would be underpowered for that size whether FE or RE.
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Could these smaller engines be "massaged" to put out a lil' more power or torque?
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06-27-2018, 04:52 PM
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#3933
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pouncer
Could these smaller engines be "massaged" to put out a lil' more power or torque?
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With enough time and $$$ just about anything can be done. But for what it would cost why not purchase a bus with the right engine and transmission at the start?
The T444E is much like the Cummins ISB. Many times they came rated as 250 HP the same as a DT466 or Cummins ISC. But the DT466 and ISC would walk away from the T444E and ISB like they were stopped while going up a hill.
Massaging a T444E is going to also cause issues with overheating and if it is hooked to an Allison AT540 your run the real risk of blowing the transmission up.
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06-27-2018, 10:50 PM
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#3934
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
With enough time and $$$ just about anything can be done. But for what it would cost why not purchase a bus with the right engine and transmission at the start?
The T444E is much like the Cummins ISB. Many times they came rated as 250 HP the same as a DT466 or Cummins ISC. But the DT466 and ISC would walk away from the T444E and ISB like they were stopped while going up a hill.
Massaging a T444E is going to also cause issues with overheating and if it is hooked to an Allison AT540 your run the real risk of blowing the transmission up.
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What Cowlitz says. I have a 2001 Ford F350 7.3 Powerstroke which is basically just the T444E in a pickup. I can do bigger injectors, turbo and a Hydra tuner, all kinds of things. As long as you have a transmission that can take the pounding! My truck is fast but mainly because it's like half the weight of a skoolie.
You can't really do those sorts of mods in a bus, though. For one thing rear engine buses can't take a lot of power upgrades without some serious work in the cooling department and its difficult to get enough air flow back there anyway. Plus the ECM stuff is totally different so none of the tuners or chips that the Ford crowd plays with would ever work on a skoolie.
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06-27-2018, 10:55 PM
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#3935
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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So there was a Bluebird prison bus on Public Surplus out of Washington state a year ago. I was bidding on it then ultimately lost interest and somebody got it for a little over $2K.
I was browsing CL the other day and ran across the same bus. What really blew my mind was the guy asking $11K for it 
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/r...603690893.html
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06-28-2018, 01:03 AM
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#3936
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Pacific NW
Posts: 120
Coachwork: None yet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
So there was a Bluebird prison bus on Public Surplus out of Washington state a year ago. I was bidding on it then ultimately lost interest and somebody got it for a little over $2K.
I was browsing CL the other day and ran across the same bus. What really blew my mind was the guy asking $11K for it
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/r...603690893.html |
That guy somehow made the interior of a prison bus even less appealing.
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06-28-2018, 06:15 PM
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#3937
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Public Surplus has a number of DT466/MT643 equipped buses in WV:
https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...ew?auc=2113218
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06-28-2018, 06:26 PM
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#3938
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
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Look closely at those, many are listed with undercarriage and cross rib rust issues.
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06-28-2018, 08:55 PM
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#3939
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
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I may try to pick one up if they stay cheap. I need an engine.
Hoping they're rusty enough that other folks won't want em as badly.
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06-28-2018, 09:25 PM
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#3940
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cycle61
That guy somehow made the interior of a prison bus even less appealing.
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