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02-04-2020, 11:32 AM
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#5201
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,402
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Originally Posted by Beachvbguy
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I am curious about the mileage. Listing says 181k. Odometer says 81k and the note under it says speedometer replaced at 31k. Does the bus have 112k or 181k?
Nice drive train.
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02-04-2020, 02:36 PM
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#5202
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 192
Year: 2002
Chassis: Ford e450
Engine: 7.3 Powerstroke
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02-04-2020, 10:34 PM
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#5203
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 130
Chassis: GMC 3500 Thomas
Engine: 6.0 L GAS
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02-05-2020, 01:47 AM
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#5204
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skidfrog
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I would double check what engine it has because most of the Ford chassis buses of that vintage that were running diesel engines were running Brazilian Ford Diesels. IIRC, they came in 5.9L and 6.6L.
Also, if it has the Girling brakes I would pass on this bus. They are good brakes you just can't easily get parts and pieces to fix them anymore.
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02-05-2020, 09:17 AM
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#5205
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New Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 6
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02-05-2020, 10:25 AM
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#5206
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New Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 6
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02-06-2020, 07:16 AM
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#5207
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 119
Year: 2004
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner
Engine: MBE 906 Mercedes Benz Diesel
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02-06-2020, 10:09 AM
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#5208
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 399
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02-06-2020, 10:13 AM
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#5209
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,402
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachvbguy
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The 6.6 Duramax has a pretty good reputation.. In the pickups they put the Allison 1000 behind it. I have heard that they put a lesser transmission in the van chassis. I have no first hand experience with the GM's just passing on something that I was told.
Regarding cutaways : I bought one a couple of years ago and really did not like the engine access. I griped about how hard it was to work on while talking with the service manager from a local utility company. He explained to me that they found it much easier to work on their cutaways if they lifted the cab off of the chassis.
Good luck.
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02-06-2020, 10:15 AM
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#5210
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
The 6.6 Duramax has a pretty good reputation.. In the pickups they put the Allison 1000 behind it. I have heard that they put a lesser transmission in the van chassis. I have no first hand experience with the GM's just passing on something that I was told.
Regarding cutaways : I bought one a couple of years ago and really did not like the engine access. I griped about how hard it was to work on while talking with the service manager from a local utility company. He explained to me that they found it much easier to work on their cutaways if they lifted the cab off of the chassis.
Good luck.
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On the cutaways you get decent access by removing the interior doghouse. A lot of the engine actually sits INSIDE the van cab but I agree, access compared to a convetional full size is pretty bad.
The Duramaxes in the vans are detuned, there is no intercooler and they are turned way down. I think they make something like 65% the power of the trucks.
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02-06-2020, 10:30 AM
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#5211
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachvbguy
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The basic problem with all Type 'A' buses is there is a lot more bus on top than there is truck underneath to support it.
With a GVWR of just over 12,000, I doubt you will have much more than 3,000 net payload available, it that much.
A Type 'C' of the same basic passenger capacity will have probably double the amount of net payload available.
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02-06-2020, 10:52 AM
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#5212
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,402
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
On the cutaways you get decent access by removing the interior doghouse. A lot of the engine actually sits INSIDE the van cab but I agree, access compared to a convetional full size is pretty bad.
The Duramaxes in the vans are detuned, there is no intercooler and they are turned way down. I think they make something like 65% the power of the trucks.
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Your idea of "decen" may be different than mine I don't have a lot of patience with machines that make me cuss and bleed.
Do you know what transmission they used on the cutaways?
Random bit: I saw a 1000hp (so they said) 6.6 Duramax in a '67 or '68 Chevelle. I want one
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02-06-2020, 11:54 AM
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#5213
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I am curious about the mileage. Listing says 181k. Odometer says 81k and the note under it says speedometer replaced at 31k. Does the bus have 112k or 181k?
Nice drive train.
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Question and answer shows it has 181K.
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I Thank God That He Gifted Me with Common Sense
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02-06-2020, 12:11 PM
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#5214
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 16
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: International DT466
Rated Cap: 65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachvbguy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I am curious about the mileage. Listing says 181k. Odometer says 81k and the note under it says speedometer replaced at 31k. Does the bus have 112k or 181k?
Nice drive train.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Question and answer shows it has 181K.
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I asked the seller that question hoping for a different answer. We're looking for something that'll go about 120K over ten years without needing a replacement, so 181K could work for us...but doesn't that note about the speedometer change make 181K feel a bit off, even with the official answer?
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02-06-2020, 12:43 PM
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#5215
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...ew?auc=2526667
nice clean AZ bus, not sure what they mean by 5.29 Cummins though
I thought '99 was the first year for the A3 body style but this is an older All American. Possibly a <1998.
https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...ew?auc=2522968
Nice Utah bus with an exhaust brake. Can't tell if that's an MBE or a Cummins in the engine bay though.
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02-07-2020, 01:14 AM
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#5216
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,402
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Edit: Never mind. I misunderstood the reply.
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02-07-2020, 01:59 AM
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#5217
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 578
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: MVP ER
Engine: CAT 3126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
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I saw that listing, I'm pretty sure that it's a Cummins 5.9 24v. I wonder how it fairs in that large of a bus.
An MBE should have a very visible oil filter on the upper front left of the engine, just like this one in a 04 HDX.
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02-07-2020, 08:19 AM
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#5218
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Truthseeker4449
I saw that listing, I'm pretty sure that it's a Cummins 5.9 24v. I wonder how it fairs in that large of a bus.
An MBE should have a very visible oil filter on the upper front left of the engine, just like this one in a 04 HDX.
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Wasn't 2007 the first year for 6.7? Also that does look a tad large to be a 6.7. Maybe it's an ISC?
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02-07-2020, 10:57 AM
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#5219
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 578
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: MVP ER
Engine: CAT 3126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
Wasn't 2007 the first year for 6.7? Also that does look a tad large to be a 6.7. Maybe it's an ISC?
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They just updated the listing, it's a 8.3. I'll have to save some of these pictures for future reference, that would be awesome to find 8.3 in something. Sadly this one is already out of my price range and I'm more wanting to pickup a parts bus with 3126 with AC in it.
I can't speak for what year the 6.7 came out and they feel big enough in the Freightliners at work.
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02-07-2020, 11:18 AM
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#5220
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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The 6.7s are very nice for what they are. I expect them to become the preferred engine among skoolies in another decade when they become prevalent on the used market.
The 8.3 ISC is on a whole nother level though. My Bluebird will climb the big hills without even breaking a sweat at 55 mph whereas the buses at work will be screaming in 2nd and barely getting 30 mph on the same hill.
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