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04-28-2020, 06:19 PM
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#5383
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dzl_
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Nice looking Crown. The asking price is not terrible. If it had a DD 671 or a Big Cam Cummins it may bring $13k but for some reason the Crown community is not as fond of the 8.3 Cummins as I am.
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04-29-2020, 01:59 AM
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#5384
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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That is an interesting re-power. That isn't a rear engine Crown, it is a mid-engine Crown. To have an ISC mounted amidships is a different kettle of fish compared to all other mid-engine Crowns.
I would be interested to see how it was mounted. I see it has a different louvered panel on the curbside that was usually where an A/C condenser was mounted on A/C equipped Crowns but I didn't see any evaporators on the interior shots.
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04-29-2020, 04:27 PM
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#5386
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Newer stuff like that is best avoided unless you can fix it yourself or can afford BIG repair bills.
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04-29-2020, 10:04 PM
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#5387
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 993
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: CS RE
Engine: ISC 8.3 L 260 hp
Rated Cap: 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Nice looking Crown. The asking price is not terrible. If it had a DD 671 or a Big Cam Cummins it may bring $13k but for some reason the Crown community is not as fond of the 8.3 Cummins as I am.
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A Crown with an ISC. Yes Please!
Ted
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04-30-2020, 12:02 AM
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#5388
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Anything newer than 2007 model year, some built as early as spring 2006, are all smogged. That means they have some way of treating the exhaust to to make it "cleaner". IHC/IC used EGR technology to take care of the exhaust emissions. Short answer is it didn't work very well.
If the bus has any version of the MaxxForce engines it will be a garage queen and very, very expensive to use and maintain. Part of the problem was IHC engines were always designed to run cool. In the past you really had to screw up the cooling system to ever seen engine temps go over 180*. The MaxxForce engines were set up to run normally at 210* to make the EGR work better. The original design that was set up to run at 160* just didn't translate well to 210*.
One reason newer buses are selling for dirt cheap is no one, especially not any of the exporters or second tier operators, have any interest in purchasing a smogged bus.
IMHO, I would avoid a newer bus.
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04-30-2020, 05:41 AM
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#5389
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 578
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: MVP ER
Engine: CAT 3126
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Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
Anything newer than 2007 model year, some built as early as spring 2006, are all smogged. That means they have some way of treating the exhaust to to make it "cleaner". IHC/IC used EGR technology to take care of the exhaust emissions. Short answer is it didn't work very well.
If the bus has any version of the MaxxForce engines it will be a garage queen and very, very expensive to use and maintain.
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I can second this, I've worked with Diesel Particulate Filter and Diesel Oxidation Catalyst equipped Maxxforce 7s (See also, the 6.4 Powerstroke) and the Maxxforce 9. 7s had constant electrical harness and PCM problems. The 9s always clattered very loudly and ran poorly. DPFs and DOC's plugged very often and those are expensive to remove and clean, let alone replace when they're pushed too far.
All buses have had the engines replaced between 100,000 and 200,000 miles. Some are at 320,000 miles now and asking for another engine. The company I was working for somehow wanted to keep these buses for another 10 years. Despite most of the buses costing as much as $10 a mile in just maintenance. Avoid an International after 2007 period.
The newest buses from International have 6.7 Cummins, but only because school bus fleets were refusing to buy buses with Maxxforce engines which I think says a lot about them. I might bite on a 6.7 tho, we had a lot less problems with those in Freightliners, mostly EGR problems but they were in the shop much less often.
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04-30-2020, 09:54 AM
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#5390
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Burlington Vermont
Posts: 25
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Thanks! this is the info we newbies need! 
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05-02-2020, 11:59 AM
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#5391
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New Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Verona, WI
Posts: 3
Year: 2002
Coachwork: International
Chassis: AmTran Genesis
Engine: DT466 / Allison 2000
Rated Cap: 78
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In case anyone is looking for an older FE full size with the ISC engine (it seems like these are rare, and I didn't even know an FE ISC was an option until recently):
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/c...116902254.html
A bit pricey, but I know she will come down to at least 8,500. I was in Phoenix last week checking out some of their other buses, and probably would have bought this one if I was looking for a full size, but I wanted a little shorter.
They have a few other similar buses available right now as well.
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05-02-2020, 06:09 PM
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#5392
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 41
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Don't want to fiddle with windows? Love the color purple? Want a DT466 with an AT545?
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0083346095512/
I almost bought this one, but given how much mountain driving I'm likely to do, I shied away from the 545. If you're a flatlander, this should be great! Ken and Lisa were very nice to work with and even offered to meet me halfway. They're in Akron, OH.
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05-09-2020, 07:04 AM
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#5393
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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05-09-2020, 07:15 AM
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#5394
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
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Think that's a Carpenter shorty.
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05-09-2020, 07:21 AM
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#5395
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
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27 year old bus from Pennsylvania, I'd be concerned about rust. Especially after sitting that long. But the price is right. Hate to think what the tow bill would be if you can't hotwire it or get it to run. And getting a title could be a major issue. Virginia has very lax laws on abandoned vehicle title application, however. 
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05-09-2020, 08:33 AM
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#5396
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 36
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05-11-2020, 10:50 AM
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#5397
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 192
Year: 2002
Chassis: Ford e450
Engine: 7.3 Powerstroke
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Ok it is a box truck, not a school bus, but looks to have potential? It hasn’t been up long and he already reduced from $3700 to $3100.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ssenger_banner
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05-14-2020, 12:38 PM
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#5398
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Motor City
Posts: 146
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Cheap older bookmobiles. Get one before they are gone!
https://billings.craigslist.org/cto/...122891598.html
These ran when they were purchased and parked and stored. They have not ran in years. They have automatic transmissions, diesel, 3208 caterpillar (we believe) automatic transmissions. $850
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05-14-2020, 12:44 PM
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#5400
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Burlington Vermont
Posts: 25
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just found this- already converted mid size
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