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Old 01-12-2017, 05:21 AM   #1
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Wonder why such a nice looking crown with the Cummins pancake engine would be on ebay for less than ten grand?
Cracked windshield. Ouch.



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Old 01-12-2017, 05:29 AM   #2
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:30 AM   #3
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Yup. They ARE nice. Till that windshield breaks.
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:48 PM   #4
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thankfully mine is flat glass
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:43 PM   #5
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Yeah, I worry about the curved windshields. Fortunately I have a spare set. But really, worse case it wouldn't be that difficult to change them to flat. There's nothing different with the shape of the bus on flat windshield vs. curved windshields, the flat windshield buses just have those extra windshield frame pieces. The worse part would be the look afterwards. I REALLY like those extra curves.
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:19 AM   #6
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whys the cracked windshield a big deal? dont you just replace it? I thought custom glass places these days could make curved windshields..
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:07 AM   #7
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From my research there are only a few places that specialize in custom (as in curved) glass for windshields. As far as I know the way they do it is to find a larger windshield (with similar curves) and cut it down. I know places will also do Lexan instead of glass, but it scratches easily.

I have only talked to one custom glass company that claims to do 100% custom curved windshield glass. It's REALLY expensive. Even finding shops that will cut larger curved glass to size is pricey. Much more than just welding in 2 frame pieces modeling the Crowns with flat glass and fitting regular flat windshield glass (which isn't hard to find or cut.)

I have heard the GM PD4104s use glass that fits the post 60's Crown's curved glass but I have not confirmed.
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Old 01-18-2017, 12:07 PM   #8
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Plus that vehicle is 41, Forty One, years old. Not only would windshields be hard to find, but parts in general would be so expensive, and only getting rarer. Not the kind of vehicle that one would buy and build as a motor home to boondock.
There are so many good newer used buses available.
I know, I helped a friend try to restore a 1933 Maxwell/Chrysler.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:16 PM   #9
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I think most people don't understand Crown's. Nearly every part is a standard Class 8 truck part. The only place things get 'weird' is with the motor orientation (pancake) but unless you totally wreck the thing (i.e. smash the oil pan, etc.) you can fix everything that normally fails fairly easily. Detroit 671's and Cummins 855's are used in all sorts of machines and most major parts can be found without much effort.

What I've personally experienced is that mechanics take one look at them and get scared before even trying to understand them.

I'd personally take a 41 year old Crown over a 10 year old Thomas or Bluebird any day of the week. ;)
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I think most people don't understand Crown's. Nearly every part is a standard Class 8 truck part. The only place things get 'weird' is with the motor orientation (pancake) but unless you totally wreck the thing (i.e. smash the oil pan, etc.) you can fix everything that normally fails fairly easily. Detroit 671's and Cummins 855's are used in all sorts of machines and most major parts can be found without much effort.

What I've personally experienced is that mechanics take one look at them and get scared before even trying to understand them.

I'd personally take a 41 year old Crown over a 10 year old Thomas or Bluebird any day of the week. ;)
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Scratch and Dent

I agree that while every part is class 8, and these engines were very common, getting someone to work on them might be expensive. Parts, while maybe still available, will have to be special ordered. If someone isn't familiar with the unit -- the $$ go up.
And if You are going to build a unit to go boondocking, You need something that You can go into the local NAPA store and buy parts. Getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere with a busted whatever that You have to special order isn't good.
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I think most people don't understand Crown's. Nearly every part is a standard Class 8 truck part. The only place things get 'weird' is with the motor orientation (pancake) but unless you totally wreck the thing (i.e. smash the oil pan, etc.) you can fix everything that normally fails fairly easily. Detroit 671's and Cummins 855's are used in all sorts of machines and most major parts can be found without much effort.

What I've personally experienced is that mechanics take one look at them and get scared before even trying to understand them.

I'd personally take a 41 year old Crown over a 10 year old Thomas or Bluebird any day of the week. ;)
Ditto x2, dude.

So far on my bus, there is absolutely NOTHING that I haven't been able to replace, usually very easily. I look up the part number in Da Book, Google it or find it on eBay, buy it, done, easy! Everything is designed for easy access and maintenance, every wire is color-coded and numbered, every air valve and fitting is get-atable, every filter doesn't require Houdini-esque contortions to reach, in other words a lot of careful thought went into its design and manufacture. I've seen other buses' electrical panels - OMG, what a horrible spaghetti mess!

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From my research there are only a few places that specialize in custom (as in curved) glass for windshields. As far as I know the way they do it is to find a larger windshield (with similar curves) and cut it down. I know places will also do Lexan instead of glass, but it scratches easily.

I have only talked to one custom glass company that claims to do 100% custom curved windshield glass. It's REALLY expensive. Even finding shops that will cut larger curved glass to size is pricey.
Much more than just welding in 2 frame pieces modeling the Crowns with flat glass and fitting regular flat windshield glass (which isn't hard to find or cut.)

I have heard the GM PD4104s use glass that fits the post 60's Crown's curved glass but I have not confirmed.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:04 AM   #14
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You said, "I look up the part number in Da Book, Google it or find it on eBay, buy it, done, easy!"
You make my point when I am talking boondocking. If You have internet, then are able to find the part, then You have to order it and wait for it to be delivered; assuming, You are a mechanic enough to fix it.
Of course, all of this while You are stuck out in the boondocks.
Don't get me wrong, I am looking at a 60 year old Crown bus, but I am enough of a mechanic to keep it running. + it has a Fuller 10 speed trans, so I am enough of a double-clutcher to be able to drive it.
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