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06-19-2015, 08:56 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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When Bus Towing Goes WRONG.
FHP: 3 injured in crash involving semi, 3 old school buses
This sounds pretty sketchy to me. Sounds like someone bought a few auction buses and tried pulling a dead one with another bus. On 95 of all places.
Obviously someone didn't wanna pay for a proper tow.
Hopefully the innocent bystander survives.
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06-20-2015, 03:11 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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can't help but think of this guy...
*not trying to be funny
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06-20-2015, 08:01 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Adirondack Mountains NY
Posts: 1,101
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
. . . . Hopefully the innocent bystander survives.
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"Innocent bystander" on the shoulder of I-95? I think not. It was probably the driver or passenger of one of the buses "parked" in the driving lane.
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06-20-2015, 08:12 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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ah, that would make sense I guess. Derp.
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06-20-2015, 10:58 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: MB
Posts: 279
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Tomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444e
Rated Cap: 54
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I think what they were doing was fine.
It's just that they were on a major interstate and not on some back woods hiway at 3am where you are more likley to see Sasquatch than another person.
I am guilty of all sorts of illigal and undafe loads.... But I live in Hicksville Canada.
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06-20-2015, 11:58 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank's P-O-S
I think what they were doing was fine.
It's just that they were on a major interstate and not on some back woods hiway at 3am where you are more likley to see Sasquatch than another person.
I am guilty of all sorts of illigal and undafe loads.... But I live in Hicksville Canada.
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2 weekend ago.... promised I wasn't going to tell this story!
but, I needed to move my 4x4 3/4 ton suburban(K2500) about 45 miles...
I tried to move it last year with my 1/2 ton suburban and a buddy's very heavy car hauler with "BULL DOG" hitch, with POOR RESULTS... I made made it 8 miles and aborted the mission, drove it back 8 miles and dropped it off where I started....
this year, I decided to try it again... so, I rent a 10' uhaul 3/4 ton van, and buddy's very heavy car hauler with "BULL DOG" hitch
picked up the uhaul, dropped by buddy's shop and picked up his very heavy car hauler with "BULL DOG" hitch
the reason I point out very heavy car hauler with "BULL DOG" hitch
is because I BROKE A BULLDOG HITCH IN HALF!!! About 20 miles into this trip, I came to a , made a left hand turn... then BAM, SHAKE, & RATTLE!!! In front of the SMALL TOWN Police Department!
checked it out, ran the landing gear down to lift the trailer tongue to bottom of uhaul hitch, wrapped a log chain around the trailer tongue, then raised the landing gear back up... slinging the load from bottom of hitch.. and proceeded to drive back the 20 miles to return the trailer to buddy's shop...... surprisingly, it pulled very well and I hit 45 miles per hour a couple of times, it really sucked when going down a steep hill because the trailer would try to push me. Got it back, and dropped off. Son drove 1/2 ton suburban behind me, at a safe'ish distance... both using iphones with earbuds the entire time.
well, lesson learned. Uhaul does have box trucks with trailer hitches... BUT, their ball is mounted so close to bumper that you cannot place two fingers between the ball & bumper. Bulldog hitches are pointed at the hinge point, and couldn't turn properly on a uhaul.
I borrowed another buddy's lighter car hauler, with a round nosed Fulton hitch and picked up the 3/4 ton suburban, and got it home with no problems....
I learned that a 1/2 ton suburban's air ride suspension WILL NOT lift a 3/4 ton suburban and a very heavy car hauler with "BULL DOG" hitch....
I can laugh now, because no one was harmed in this cluster---- and the 3/4 ton is home now!
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06-20-2015, 12:00 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank's P-O-S
I think what they were doing was fine.
It's just that they were on a major interstate and not on some back woods hiway at 3am where you are more likley to see Sasquatch than another person.
I am guilty of all sorts of illigal and undafe loads.... But I live in Hicksville Canada.
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There's a right way and a wrong way sometimes.
Its lucky they didn't kill anyone. Sure- I've towed cars and trucks with chains and even ropes before, but a bus is something that should be taken a bit more seriously.
Doing this on a major interstate is pretty effed up.
They obviously had enough money to afford three buses- they should have had enough money for a proper tow.
Now someone's in the hospital.
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06-20-2015, 12:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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in my defense...... the 3/4 ton was actually further back on the trailer, than when this picture was taken, so the hitch was about 6 inches higher...
just don't ask me what happens when the truck's tire is resting on the front trailer rail pipe.... and you hand is cushioning the rail
and your phone is in the seat of the truck.
I'll never know who that farmer was that drove by and helped free me
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I once complained I had no shoes....
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06-20-2015, 12:17 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
There's a right way and a wrong way sometimes.
Its lucky they didn't kill anyone. Sure- I've towed cars and trucks with chains and even ropes before, but a bus is something that should be taken a bit more seriously.
Doing this on a major interstate is pretty effed up.
They obviously had enough money to afford three buses- they should have had enough money for a proper tow.
Now someone's in the hospital.
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trust me, in my STUPIDITY, in my case.... I never pulled anywhere near a major highway... back road 2 lane blacktop all the way. if anyone got behind me, I pulled over.
Even when I was in a better situation with uhaul & lighter trailer loaded with 3/4 ton.... never hit 50mph
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06-20-2015, 12:42 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Montana
Posts: 65
Year: 1990
Coachwork: happy camper RV repair
Chassis: international
Engine: 360 international
Rated Cap: 66 passenger
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I bought a old gmc 4105 bus once when I got there to take it home it had a flat so I went to call a tire truck when I came back my buddy had the air hooked up to it and was filling it with nitrogen. it aired up and stayed, I said ok guess it was just low, so we get back to the shop and then my buddy tells me that he had put a screw in a hole in the tire and aired it up! I was running over 80mph thru a very busy mixmaster in Dallas Texas traffic eating a burrito and talking to my girlfriend on the phone driving with my knees, good thing the good Lord looks out for young fools.
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06-20-2015, 05:12 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
trust me, in my STUPIDITY, in my case.... I never pulled anywhere near a major highway... back road 2 lane blacktop all the way. if anyone got behind me, I pulled over.
Even when I was in a better situation with uhaul & lighter trailer loaded with 3/4 ton.... never hit 50mph
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Yep_ that's how its done.
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06-21-2015, 06:50 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Dublin California USA
Posts: 46
Coachwork: Looking for something
Chassis: Big Enough to fit my dog
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Sounds like a red-neck solution on a busy freeway. Not safe.
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06-21-2015, 09:27 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Huron, South Dakota
Posts: 422
Year: 1976
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: Dodge S-600
Engine: 360 V8
Rated Cap: 66
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
There's a right way and a wrong way sometimes...
Doing this on a major interstate is pretty effed up.
They obviously had enough money to afford three buses- they should have had enough money for a proper tow.
Now someone's in the hospital.
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I wasn't about to take any chances after I bought my bus, so I hired a tow company recommended by the guy who sold me the bus. So it got transported to its storage site by a Kenworth set up to pull vehicles such as this. It even had a hook-up made to fit I-beam axles.
Cost a lot, but it was worth knowing the job would be done right.
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06-22-2015, 06:28 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
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06-22-2015, 10:16 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
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Engine: DT408, AT545
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There have been a few people on here that have done stuff like this. I got into a heated debate with one guy. I hope these guys have to pay big time.
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06-22-2015, 11:11 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: EHT New Jersey
Posts: 1,134
Year: 2003
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International 3000RE
Engine: T444E/AT545
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycal
There have been a few people on here that have done stuff like this. I got into a heated debate with one guy. I hope these guys have to pay big time.
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I don't know whether the one accident photo had most of its pillars taken out prior to or after EMS showed up, but that is some serious structural instability.
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06-22-2015, 11:52 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooternj
I don't know whether the one accident photo had most of its pillars taken out prior to or after EMS showed up, but that is some serious structural instability.
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I don't want to start a crap storm but this is one reason I am against a roof raise. Some just don't have the structural engineering experience to do the job properly, like me. I don't always admit my shortcomings but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis...and defer to the school bus engineers.
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06-22-2015, 01:58 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Yeh, wow.. judging by what appears to be spray-bomb or tape around those huge cutouts, I would say that somebody did some stupid modifications to that bus. It doesn't appear to have caused the crash, but it's still a good point of reference for what NOT to do.
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06-22-2015, 02:08 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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06-22-2015, 03:56 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
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Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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^ U beat me to it!
They're watermelon grove "trucks". Sometimes they jsut cut the whole roof off and make them into big long pickup type trucks.
They were undoubtedly very beaten buses.
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