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12-02-2020, 09:08 PM
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#1
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: San Luis Obispo
Posts: 11
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Ford
Chassis: E-450
Engine: 7.3 liter turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 14,500
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CA diesels can’t be older than 10 years?
I tried to renew my 2000 ford E-450 short skoolie I converted and the CA DMV tells me that I am not CARBS compliant. They tell me that medium to heavy duty diesel vehicles operating in California cannot have engines older than 10 years. They say I need to scrap my engine and get a new one. Has anyone in California run into this problem? I’m trying to register it in another state. Please let me know if anyone has any experience with this new regulation.
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12-02-2020, 09:18 PM
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#2
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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That sucks, but I hope the person who thought I was BS'ing about CA coming after diesel RVs sees this. Hate to say I told you so...
OP, you might consider registering in VT, SD or some other state that allows it, might be a way around it.
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12-02-2020, 09:26 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Whidbey Island, WA.
Posts: 1,109
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 3208 na boat anchor
Rated Cap: 2
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I don't believe that California has outlawed old diesels in RV's yet. Would of heard the screams across the internet if they had.
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12-02-2020, 09:40 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2018
Location: topeka kansas
Posts: 1,771
Year: 1954
Coachwork: wayne
Chassis: old f500- new 2005 f-450
Engine: cummins 12 valve
Rated Cap: 20? five rows of 4?
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Commercial, I agree.
But private use, no I don’t agree. Not as I read the rules last year. I can’t drive a commercial anything that is diesel powered and more than x years old. There is a list of exempt vehicles.
William
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12-02-2020, 09:41 PM
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#5
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,995
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Motorhomes/RVs are exempt from this requirement.
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12-02-2020, 09:43 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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Note - I didn't say outlawed, I said come after. In any case, the OP isn't just making this up for kicks. Apparently CA DMV is demanding a DPF retrofit on models over 10 years old. Non-CARB-compliant means they are requiring a DPF retrofit or a repower with a newer engine so equipped. The question is, is OP's rig retitled as an RV, or still titled as a bus? I still think OP should look into registering in a state that can be used as a workaround.
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12-02-2020, 09:51 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,995
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truckstop/tb/excluded.htm
Quote:
The Truck & Bus Regulation also does not apply to the following vehicles, but these vehicle types may need to report in the Excluded Diesel Vehicle Reporting (EDVR) system to avoid DMV registration denial:
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Quote:
Motorhomes used for non-commercial private use including vehicles converted to a motorhome. “Motorhome” means a single vehicular unit designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy and built on, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis, chassis cab, or van, which becomes an integral part of the complete vehicle or a vehicle that exclusively tows a trailer that was originally designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy.
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Excluded Diesel Vehicle Reporting
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12-02-2020, 09:52 PM
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#8
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Just don't expect such loopholes to last too many years, all they need is to strictly enforce the "vehicles remaining in CA past X days must register locally" pay property taxes etc
At some point just like boats, you will be required to provide **proof** that the vehicle's only been in state for < X days.
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12-02-2020, 10:18 PM
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#9
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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And just to be clear, I think such measures, and much stricter ones, are well justified in the face of our existential climate crisis.
If they result in those who disagree being "forced" to leave the state, that is also a beneficial side affect.
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12-02-2020, 11:18 PM
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#10
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: San Luis Obispo
Posts: 11
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Ford
Chassis: E-450
Engine: 7.3 liter turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 14,500
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OMG. I think this is the link I have been looking for. Thank you.
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12-03-2020, 08:09 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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What’s the GVWR? Under 14001 lbs are exempt from the CARB particulate filter laws. The vehicle still needs to pass smog inspection
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12-03-2020, 08:49 AM
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#12
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,678
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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What's your bus registered as?
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12-03-2020, 09:06 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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I have never read any official documentation that puts an expiration date on the RV loophole. The same goes for the GVWR threshold. I’ll try to call them today to get answers.
Anyone have a specific question?
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12-03-2020, 09:24 AM
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#14
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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OP, what’s the GVWR of your bus?
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12-03-2020, 10:03 AM
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#15
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,995
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Danjo
I have never read any official documentation that puts an expiration date on the RV loophole. The same goes for the GVWR threshold. I’ll try to call them today to get answers.
Anyone have a specific question?
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I think john61ct was referring to the Vermont registration loophole. There's no indication that California will get rid of the RV exemption, since RV traffic makes up an infinitesimal fraction of the miles driven by diesel engines every year. Contrary to the belief around here that California is run by hippies, CARB regulations are practical measures aimed at reducing smog and other pollution problems (although not global warming), a major deal for a state sandwiched between prevailing westerlies and mountains. Putting the CARB requirements on RVs would have no measurable effects on anything.
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12-03-2020, 11:51 AM
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#16
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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I have a 2007 Chevy Duramax-based Thomas with a 12500 GVWR. I just passed smog and contacted DMV by phone for registration fee info. No problems. Oh, I still have an SB vehicle type and registration for the year, including late fees, $22
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12-03-2020, 12:09 PM
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#17
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: San Luis Obispo
Posts: 11
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Ford
Chassis: E-450
Engine: 7.3 liter turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 14,500
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Gvwr 14050 LB
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12-03-2020, 12:10 PM
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#18
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liveinashortbus
Gvwr 14050 LB
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Titled and registered as BUS or MOTORHOME / RV?
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12-03-2020, 12:49 PM
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#19
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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12-03-2020, 01:08 PM
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#20
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: San Luis Obispo
Posts: 11
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Ford
Chassis: E-450
Engine: 7.3 liter turbo diesel
Rated Cap: 14,500
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Neither. I believe it is registered as a UT. I think that is a utility vehicle.
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