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Old 06-26-2020, 01:25 PM   #1461
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We did the Vermont thing, no VIN verification, copy of title, '97 bus, got our plates and transferable registration in March, here in Washington state. Nothing to it but to do it.
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Old 06-27-2020, 08:51 PM   #1462
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Looking for some help with a bus I purchased this week in AZ. I purchased a '97 International from a guy who purchased it from a school district earlier this year.

The school district signed the back of the title and it was notarized. The guy I bought it from wrote and signed his name in as the buyer, but he never transferred the title into his name. Instead, he wrote me a bill of sale showing this "chain of ownership" therefore I have a title and bill of sale.

Does anyone have success with the Vermont process under similar circumstances? I do plan to obtain a VIN Verification from the local PD.

Thank you!
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:48 PM   #1463
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prolly OK, but you need to send the originals
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:01 AM   #1464
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Can someone give me an example of this extra itemized page we should attach?
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:03 AM   #1465
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Can some give me an example of the itemization we're supposed to attach?
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:07 AM   #1466
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Also, if you have a title do you need a bill of sale. I lost all my purchased paperwork in a fire.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:10 AM   #1467
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prolly OK, but you need to send the originals
Because of the situation? I was planning to send copies since my bus is more than 15 years old.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:41 AM   #1468
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OK try maybe notarized
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Old 07-02-2020, 09:26 AM   #1469
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A unique scenario:

Hey everyone, I bought an old double decker bus with no title off someone and have been having some serious trouble getting it registered. It's a 1967 Leyland Atlantic that was driving around London through the late 60's and 70's. A tank of a machine, still runs great and such.

Anyway, I pulled a carfax report on the VIN that was on the registration sticker in the window and it came back as a 2013 Thomas school bus. Well, I honestly thought I'd have an easier time of it just going with that info. So I filled VD119 with all the info from the CarFax, then had a custom VIN plate made and an officer come to the bus to perform the vin verification. I sent all that in along with the appropriate fees only to have the DMV ask for the original Title anyway. Wondering if anything can be done.... Can I get a non transferable this way or should I just start over and try registering it with no vin but the correct vehicle info?

Great Forum, thanks in advance for any help!
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Old 07-02-2020, 10:06 AM   #1470
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Hey everyone, I bought an old double decker bus with no title off someone and have been having some serious trouble getting it registered. It's a 1967 Leyland Atlantic that was driving around London through the late 60's and 70's. A tank of a machine, still runs great and such.

Anyway, I pulled a carfax report on the VIN that was on the registration sticker in the window and it came back as a 2013 Thomas school bus. Well, I honestly thought I'd have an easier time of it just going with that info. So I filled VD119 with all the info from the CarFax, then had a custom VIN plate made and an officer come to the bus to perform the vin verification. I sent all that in along with the appropriate fees only to have the DMV ask for the original Title anyway. Wondering if anything can be done.... Can I get a non transferable this way or should I just start over and try registering it with no vin but the correct vehicle info?

Great Forum, thanks in advance for any help!
Why...?
Are you just effing with us?

Your 1967 Leyland is obviously not a 2013 Thomas...

1) hope VT forgets your attempt at fraud with an illegal "custom VIN plate"
2) destroy custom VIN plate
3) Learn where Leyland stamps the S/N on the frame of the bus
4) hope a different officer comes to inspect the bus/fill out a proper vin-verification with the actual Leyland S/N
5) send your non-fictitious paper work to Vt.

Since you claimed your bus was a 2013 that's way newer than more-than 15 years old -- requires an original title which you will never obtain -- well I shouldn't say never -- if you wish to pursue this fraud, the carfax will also have given you the name of the previous owners. Contact them for a title...

Post some pix -- if you actually have a bus at all this is a cool one and I'd like to see some pix of it!
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Old 07-02-2020, 10:26 AM   #1471
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Why...?
Are you just effing with us?

Your 1967 Leyland is obviously not a 2013 Thomas...

1) hope VT forgets your attempt at fraud with an illegal "custom VIN plate"
2) destroy custom VIN plate
3) Learn where Leyland stamps the S/N on the frame of the bus
4) hope a different officer comes to inspect the bus/fill out a proper vin-verification with the actual Leyland S/N
5) send your non-fictitious paper work to Vt.

Since you claimed your bus was a 2013 that's way newer than more-than 15 years old -- requires an original title which you will never obtain -- well I shouldn't say never -- if you wish to pursue this fraud, the carfax will also have given you the name of the previous owners. Contact them for a title...

Post some pix -- if you actually have a bus at all this is a cool one and I'd like to see some pix of it!
Not trying to pull a chain here, just thought Id have trouble with it being an overseas vehicle with really no legal history over here. I figured playing dumb and keeping my head down might result in plates if I was lucky enough!

I kinda figured I'd be looking at restarting the process though, sounds doable. One thing, I haven't been able to find any of the original serial numbers or a vin anywhere. There's some info on the engine itself but that didn't lead anywhere.
Having a cop redo the Vin verification is NP, they did it from the precinct and never even came out to the bus lol.


Oh and here's a link to the IG for the bus:
https://www.instagram.com/doubledeckerstudios/
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Old 07-02-2020, 10:42 AM   #1472
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A unique scenario:

Not messing with anyone I promise! I was just worried there might be some issued with this bus being from overseas, and not having any recorded history here.
The car fax didn't have any info on the old owners. I've reached out to the people who I think owned it at one point or another, but haven't gotten a response. These are the folks in MA who had it registered a schoolbus.

I figured that a complete do over was gonna be needed here. I just haven't had any luck finding any S/N's or VIN's for it. I suppose I could make one up and have the local PD "verify" it again. They never even left the precinct, just printed out what I needed.

Does VT send back everything I sent in? I'm wondering about the money order and such.

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Here's a link to the bus on IG
https://www.instagram.com/doubledeckerstudios/
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:22 PM   #1473
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Strangely enough, the form has absolutely no instructions on how or where to file it! Am I missing something?
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:44 PM   #1474
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Not messing with anyone I promise! I was just worried there might be some issued with this bus being from overseas, and not having any recorded history here.
The car fax didn't have any info on the old owners. I've reached out to the people who I think owned it at one point or another, but haven't gotten a response. These are the folks in MA who had it registered a schoolbus.

I figured that a complete do over was gonna be needed here. I just haven't had any luck finding any S/N's or VIN's for it. I suppose I could make one up and have the local PD "verify" it again. They never even left the precinct, just printed out what I needed.

Does VT send back everything I sent in? I'm wondering about the money order and such.

Ps
Here's a link to the bus on IG
https://www.instagram.com/doubledeckerstudios/
It would be false of me to say I've always obeyed every law all the time...
I try to maintain the spirit of the law all the time if not the letter -- that said...

I'd be looking for a Leyland bus lovers forum (you're gonna need 'em for maintenance questions anyway) and see if they can't tell you where the vin tags should be located and more importantly what the number structure looks like for your proposed year...

Then you're only making up plausibly legitimate information -- a double decker bus ain't like diamond earrings -- I doubt your bus is stolen -- it's easier to hide an elephant!

At the very worst you'll end up buying another large old bus and using the vin and title from it -- that would be fraud -- no actual victim though except you if there's an insurance claim of any kind -- at that point your insurance agent will compare you to Satan, and deny they ever insured you based on your fraud of what the bus actually was -- this could cost you huge. When I was 20 and owned nothing I wouldn't care -- "go ahead and take my student loan debt, that's all I own muthaf@cah!"
Now I have too much to loose...

Find and buy any other leyland bus (hopefully for scrap price) with a good vin and use that. That would better protect you from the world of insurance failure when needed...
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