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Old 09-07-2019, 08:52 PM   #21
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since 1939 the National School Bus Chrome yellow has been required, it was put into effect by the National School Bus Congress. That is why some states are so hard core about painting it a different color, after being purchased by a private owner.

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Old 09-07-2019, 09:04 PM   #22
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AAA does registration. Some Insurance Companies do it. Orange County, CA.
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Old 09-08-2019, 12:25 AM   #23
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I wonder what the CHP would make of all the preserved and restored old Crowns and Gilligs that are driven on public roads in California, especially when the Pacific Bus Museum in NorCal has its annual Open House and lots of yellow buses take to the roads near there? There's even a preserved early Crown that is regularly shown at Hershey PA and driven around there, and it still says Yosemite Union High School District on its sides*. I think a LEO is having either a very crappy day or has nothing better to do if he/she pulls over an ex-school bus only because it's still yellow.

Some years ago where I work we still had two old International 1700 school buses (we were our own school district with our own buses, drivers, 45-day checks, etc.), and when the local CHP made their annual inspection he told us they would need to be repainted or taken out of service because their paint was so faded! He said it was no longer truly school bus yellow - it was a canary yellow at that point. So, if you can prove that your bus's yellow is not NSBY, then technically you're off the hook. I remember reading a while ago about the actual color code or spectrum number that NSBY is, so a slightly different yellow should therefore be legal?

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Old 09-08-2019, 12:39 AM   #24
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A ex school bus could have a ďtruth windowĒ similar to what Iíve seen on straw bale houses. A small lid that opens showing that yes it is straw inside. But in this case it opens to show steel or aluminum and yellow. Not sticks and staples lol.
I didnít know about the bus museum. Cool, that might be on my route. Thanks
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Old 09-08-2019, 12:42 AM   #25
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I donít know if itís just me but this ďyellowĒ looks more orange than anything. When I was registering mine they said it couldnít be yellow so I said itís not yellow, itís orange. They changed it in the computer and away I went. Now itís white on the top half and ďorangeĒ on the bottom; I havenít had any problems anywhere including 2 border crossings. The last of the school bus color will hopefully be gone soon.
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Old 09-08-2019, 12:45 AM   #26
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Here's what Wikipedia says about NSBY, including its actual color coordinates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_bus_yellow If you can prove that your bus's yellow is not NSBY, does that make it OK?

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Old 09-08-2019, 09:14 AM   #27
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I wonder what the CHP would make of all the preserved and restored old Crowns and Gilligs that are driven on public roads in California, especially when the Pacific Bus Museum in NorCal has its annual Open House and lots of yellow buses take to the roads near there? There's even a preserved early Crown that is regularly shown at Hershey PA and driven around there, and it still says Yosemite Union High School District on its sides*. I think a LEO is having either a very crappy day or has nothing better to do if he/she pulls over an ex-school bus only because it's still yellow.

Some years ago where I work we still had two old International 1700 school buses (we were our own school district with our own buses, drivers, 45-day checks, etc.), and when the local CHP made their annual inspection he told us they would need to be repainted or taken out of service because their paint was so faded! He said it was no longer truly school bus yellow - it was a canary yellow at that point. So, if you can prove that your bus's yellow is not NSBY, then technically you're off the hook. I remember reading a while ago about the actual color code or spectrum number that NSBY is, so a slightly different yellow should therefore be legal?

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*Here's that bus, sounding and looking great after more than half a century:

in a lot of states historical vehicles are given a Pass.. esp if they have historical plates on them.. from what ive seen a lot of the busses that make the treks to the Big bus events (evansville in 2017, the spring fling in hershey... soon blytheville ar) etc.. are historical.. while some are converted, most of the school busses are close to original with seats... they dont look like Hippy-campers. and yes LEO Loves to pick on self-converted busses thats a fact.. sorry to say its just true..



Historical vehicles get a pass on many color / equipment / etc restrictions.. there are people in ohio driving around fully functional, all original police cars.. yeah everything works including the radar guns, sirens, lights, etc.. they are historical and these guys drives these cars all over the place..


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many of our busses here on skoolie arent historical and they are not registered as such and they dont look historic (like an obvious crown or Superior or scenicruiser)...


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Old 09-08-2019, 10:31 AM   #28
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Old 09-08-2019, 01:38 PM   #29
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Here's what Wikipedia says about NSBY, including its actual color coordinates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_bus_yellow If you can prove that your bus's yellow is not NSBY, does that make it OK?

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You'll need to read the fine print for your state. Some states say it can not be any shade of Yellow.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:50 AM   #30
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You'll need to read the fine print for your state. Some states say it can not be any shade of Yellow.
And how exactly do those states define "yellow"?! I'd be very curious if they use specific color spectrum numbers in their vehicle code or not - if not, then that's how lawyers make their money!

A while ago I was following a bright yellow bus on I-5; I'm guessing it was a charter or tour bus, and it was a late-model MCI, maybe a DL or E series. I assume that bus was "legal". Maybe that's why so many NSBY ex-school buses are still on the road, at least here in CA - LEO agencies know that the laws are so loosely worded and poorly defined that it would be difficult for their cases to prevail in court.

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Old 09-09-2019, 10:58 AM   #31
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Or they just don't care?

I think the intention is to prevent deception and confusion.

If it clearly does not look like an active school bus anymore, less likely to get problems.

Unless LEO feels like messing with you, which does happen sometimes. . .
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:09 AM   #32
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[QUOTE=Iceni John Maybe that's why so many NSBY ex-school buses are still on the road, at least here in CA - LEO agencies know that the laws are so loosely worded and poorly defined that it would be difficult for their cases to prevail in court.

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They would most likely target a Skoolie with OOS tags thinking that they probably wonít stick around to fight it
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:26 AM   #33
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I wonder how reciprocity plays with bus color?

Drivers license privileges granted by your home state are honored by other states when you visit.

Trailer /vehicle length laws don't play that way.. If you drive your, WA plated and WA legal, 68' long rig in MD you. May face the choice of dropping the trailer or getting a ticket.....

Will states with "no yellow on private buses" hassle those of us from states that allow yellow on private buses when we visit?
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:38 PM   #34
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That's probably why they set the regs at the federal level.

I doubt if states actually explicitly **allow** it in their law as written, more like just lower diligence about enforcement

and if there's a conflict with the fed reg, it is overridden soon as you're in interstate commerce.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:26 AM   #35
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That's probably why they set the regs at the federal level.

I doubt if states actually explicitly **allow** it in their law as written, more like just lower diligence about enforcement

and if there's a conflict with the fed reg, it is overridden soon as you're in interstate commerce.



Maybe it is another case of states not wanting to spend $$ enforcing Federal laws?
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Old 09-10-2019, 11:21 AM   #36
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Can anyone point to the USC that says my private bus cannot stay yellow?

I have not been able to find anything.......
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:17 AM   #37
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AZ has provisions stating it can't be "school bus yellow" unless it is a school bus. I know Cali does too. In Arizona they don't enforce it when u make the tittle switch, they didn't even look to see if the lights and sign was still on. But if it's on the books some one will eventually cite it. My understanding most states require a color change
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AZ has provisions stating it can't be "school bus yellow" unless it is a school bus. I know Cali does too. In Arizona they don't enforce it when u make the tittle switch, they didn't even look to see if the lights and sign was still on. But if it's on the books some one will eventually cite it. My understanding most states require a color change
I have seen a number of states that have restrictions on school bus yellow. The previous poster indicated that it is a Federal law. I have been unable to find anything in USC that speaks to that.
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DOT regulations?
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DOT regulations?
What do you know........

https://one.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/whatsup/...sportation.htm
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