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Old 03-23-2019, 04:42 PM   #1
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letter from Missouri highway patrol on conversion requirements

Special construction/Recreational vehicles

To comply with 301.010 RSMo requiring permanently attached sleeping and eating facilities and 700.010 RSMo that refer to the american national standards institute(ANSI), known as the national fire protection association(NFPA), standard NFPA 1192 defining a recreational motor vehicle and a recreational vehicle, a special construction or conversion must have in addition to permanent eating and sleeping facilities four of the following systems installed. it is recommended the the following criteria be considered:

! Sleeping facilities will include an area of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons to rest in a normal sleeping position. this requirement could be met by the installation of a mattress type bed, a recliner chair, or a couch.

2 Eating facilities will include a table of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons for the purpose of eating. i will also include a bench type seat or chairs. the table will be attached to the unit by screws, bolts, or other methods to affix the table in a permanent manner.

3. the vehicle must contain permanently installed independent life support systems. The ANSI/NFPA standard (NFPA 1192) requires four of the following facilities: "cooking, refrigeration or ice box, self contained toilet, heating and air conditioning, or both, a portable water supply system including a faucet and sink.

A. Cooking facility - will include one or more items - stove microwave oven, standard oven, or convection oven, which is permanently installed and has adequate clearance as specified in the terms their listed. clearance spaces shall be framed in or guarded to prevent storage space within the clearance specified by its UL or manufacturers listing.

B. Refrigeration or icebox - will include a refrigeration unit or icebox which is permanently installed. The unit may be powered by electric, LP gas, or both.

C. Self-contained toilet - will include a toilet and waste collection system that is permanently installed.

D. Heating or air conditioning or both - will include standard recreational vehicle type roof or window mounted air conditioner unit that is permanently installed. the heating system shall be electric, LP gas, or both that is permanently installed and meet the terms of their UL or manufacturers listing.

E. A portable water system including a faucet and sink - will include a system to store water in a holding tank attached to a faucet and sink. it will also have a grey water holding tank.

4. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply system or liquefied petroleum (LP) gas supply or both. a 12v dc power inverter capable of powering the cooking facility, refrigeration, and/or the heating/air conditioning system that is permanently installed will be acceptable. an LP gas system used to supply the stove, oven, refrigerator, or heating will be acceptable.

5. Separate entrance on passenger side or rear.

6. fire extinguisher that meets at least a 2 A 10-b:c or greater.

7.At least one integral battery-operated smoke alarm shall be installed.

* 5th wheel plate must be removed
******TRUCK/TRACTORS CONVERTED TO RV ********* a separate box must be put on the back of the truck/tractor (cannot be just a regular sleeper that has been modified)


this is the letter i got i am just curious what your interpretation is to this????
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:20 PM   #2
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Eating is one, sleeping is two out of seven, both required.

Then four out of #3 is required.

So the three out of the remaining four 4-7, are **in addition** required.

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To comply with 301.010 RSMo requiring permanently attached sleeping and eating facilities and 700.010 RSMo that refer to the american national standards institute(ANSI), known as the national fire protection association(NFPA), standard NFPA 1192 defining a recreational motor vehicle and a recreational vehicle, a special construction or conversion must have in addition to permanent eating and sleeping facilities four of the following systems installed. it is recommended the the following criteria be considered:



! Sleeping facilities will include an area of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons to rest in a normal sleeping position. this requirement could be met by the installation of a mattress type bed, a recliner chair, or a couch.



2 Eating facilities will include a table of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons for the purpose of eating. i will also include a bench type seat or chairs. the table will be attached to the unit by screws, bolts, or other methods to affix the table in a permanent manner.



3. the vehicle must contain permanently installed independent life support systems. The ANSI/NFPA standard (NFPA 1192) requires four of the following facilities: "cooking, refrigeration or ice box, self contained toilet, heating and air conditioning, or both, a portable water supply system including a faucet and sink.



A. Cooking facility - will include one or more items - stove microwave oven, standard oven, or convection oven, which is permanently installed and has adequate clearance as specified in the terms their listed. clearance spaces shall be framed in or guarded to prevent storage space within the clearance specified by its UL or manufacturers listing.



B. Refrigeration or icebox - will include a refrigeration unit or icebox which is permanently installed. The unit may be powered by electric, LP gas, or both.



C. Self-contained toilet - will include a toilet and waste collection system that is permanently installed.



D. Heating or air conditioning or both - will include standard recreational vehicle type roof or window mounted air conditioner unit that is permanently installed. the heating system shall be electric, LP gas, or both that is permanently installed and meet the terms of their UL or manufacturers listing.



E. A portable water system including a faucet and sink - will include a system to store water in a holding tank attached to a faucet and sink. it will also have a grey water holding tank.



4. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply system or liquefied petroleum (LP) gas supply or both. a 12v dc power inverter capable of powering the cooking facility, refrigeration, and/or the heating/air conditioning system that is permanently installed will be acceptable. an LP gas system used to supply the stove, oven, refrigerator, or heating will be acceptable.



5. Separate entrance on passenger side or rear.



6. fire extinguisher that meets at least a 2 A 10-b:c or greater.



7.At least one integral battery-operated smoke alarm shall be installed.



* 5th wheel plate must be removed

******TRUCK/TRACTORS CONVERTED TO RV ********* a separate box must be put on the back of the truck/tractor (cannot be just a regular sleeper that has been modified)





this is the letter i got i am just curious what your interpretation is to this????
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:28 PM   #3
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Pretty much the same in all states, 4 of 6 requirements met. Little bit tighter there than elsewhere.
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:46 PM   #4
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this is the letter i got i am just curious what your interpretation is to this????
Its a pretty standard form letter - it tells you what you need to have on a bus (or any vehicle) that will be registered as an RV. It lays out some of the minimum standards and items you must have installed on the vehicle. Some of the systems it required to be installed/mounted to the vehicle - like the chairs and table can't just be folding chairs thrown into the back of an empty bus. Not everything has to be fancy or expensive - an ice box will suffice instead of a powered fridge. A camping heater with a wall mount could qualify as a wall-mount LP heater. It specifies a fresh water system with a sink - that could be a 5-gallon water jug on the ceiling with a hose going to the sink with another 5-gallon bucket under the sink to collect the gray water.


To comply with 301.010 RSMo requiring permanently attached sleeping and eating facilities and 700.010 RSMo that refer to the american national standards institute(ANSI), known as the national fire protection association(NFPA), standard NFPA 1192 defining a recreational motor vehicle and a recreational vehicle, a special construction or conversion must have in addition to permanent eating and sleeping facilities four of the following systems installed. it is recommended the the following criteria be considered:


You need a sleeping area and an eating area, along with 4 of the 5 listed features.



! Sleeping facilities will include an area of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons to rest in a normal sleeping position. this requirement could be met by the installation of a mattress type bed, a recliner chair, or a couch.

Sleeping area requirements.



2 Eating facilities will include a table of sufficient size to accommodate a person or persons for the purpose of eating. i will also include a bench type seat or chairs. the table will be attached to the unit by screws, bolts, or other methods to affix the table in a permanent manner.

Eating area requirements : You need a table with a bench seat. They should be mounted to the motorhome somehow, not just loose in the back.



3. the vehicle must contain permanently installed independent life support systems. The ANSI/NFPA standard (NFPA 1192) requires four of the following facilities: "cooking, refrigeration or ice box, self contained toilet, heating and air conditioning, or both, a portable water supply system including a faucet and sink.

You need at least 4 of these 5 options :
-A Cooking Facility
-Refridgerator or Ice Box
-Self-contained Toilet
-Heating or AC
-Portable Water System



A. Cooking facility - will include one or more items - stove microwave oven, standard oven, or convection oven, which is permanently installed and has adequate clearance as specified in the terms their listed. clearance spaces shall be framed in or guarded to prevent storage space within the clearance specified by its UL or manufacturers listing.

Cooking : At least a microwave. If you install an oven, make sure there's proper clearances around it so nothing catches fire.


B. Refrigeration or icebox - will include a refrigeration unit or icebox which is permanently installed. The unit may be powered by electric, LP gas, or both.

You need at least an icebox permanently installed into the motorhome. A powered fridge is optional, but not required.


C. Self-contained toilet - will include a toilet and waste collection system that is permanently installed.

You need a toilet.



D. Heating or air conditioning or both - will include standard recreational vehicle type roof or window mounted air conditioner unit that is permanently installed. the heating system shall be electric, LP gas, or both that is permanently installed and meet the terms of their UL or manufacturers listing.

You need some sort of heating or air conditioning system.


E. A portable water system including a faucet and sink - will include a system to store water in a holding tank attached to a faucet and sink. it will also have a grey water holding tank.

You need a fresh water system with a fresh water container hooked up to a sink, and a grey water container.



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These are not optional, you must have them.


4. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply system or liquefied petroleum (LP) gas supply or both. a 12v dc power inverter capable of powering the cooking facility, refrigeration, and/or the heating/air conditioning system that is permanently installed will be acceptable. an LP gas system used to supply the stove, oven, refrigerator, or heating will be acceptable.

You need one of these to power your appliances :

120-volt electric power supply (generator/shore power)

12-volt power supply (inverter/batteries)
LP gas system

You need to be able to power your appliances.




5. Separate entrance on passenger side or rear.

6. fire extinguisher that meets at least a 2 A 10-b:c or greater.

7.At least one integral battery-operated smoke alarm shall be installed.


Those should explain themselves. A second exit door, fire extinguisher, and a smoke alarm.


* 5th wheel plate must be removed
******TRUCK/TRACTORS CONVERTED TO RV ********* a separate box must be put on the back of the truck/tractor (cannot be just a regular sleeper that has been modified)


If you're converting a tractor trailer, you need to remove the hitch. A standard truck cab sleeper does not qualify as an RV - a separate RV structure must be built on the frame behind the cab.
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:49 PM   #5
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Do they actually mean a "portable" water supply or "potable". Most of don't have portable water systems, but permanent ones.
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Do they actually mean a "portable" water supply or "potable". Most of don't have portable water systems, but permanent ones.

I'd guess "potable."
(The same way that bullet #1 on the list ended up as bullet #! instead.)
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I wonder if they are sticklers on permanent toilet?

What does this mean?
" heating and air conditioning, or both"
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A commercial composting or cassette loo likely fine.

Bucket with a hefty sack likely not.
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What does this mean?
" heating and air conditioning, or both"
Funny grammar.

Or should be fine.
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Wow, those are important but costly fixtures that are required to get an RV reclassification.
There is seemingly no use while you build in Missouri. The DMV lives up to their states motto: The Show Me State!!!
Guess this ain't no cheap lifestyle in some states...
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Wow, those are important but costly fixtures that are required to get an RV reclassification.
There is seemingly no use while you build in Missouri. The DMV lives up to their states motto: The Show Me State!!!
Guess this ain't no cheap lifestyle in some states...
You can't register it as a private bus and get a commercial for private use insurance policy?
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You can't register it as a private bus and get a commercial for private use insurance policy?
Don't know Marc. I'm just commenting on the OP's posting of rules for reclass. in MO....
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Don't know Marc. I'm just commenting on the OP's posting of rules for reclass. in MO....
Your comment of not being able to use it while converting is inaccurate. Some have gotten away with registering as an RV without having done the basics. Then can't drive it because the insurance won't insure as an RV. Thats why the commercial policy works for conversion.
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When I lied in Missouri I converted a dirt bike to street use. In order to do that change I had to take it to a highway patrol inspection facility where they made sure I had installed all the required equipment, and they handed me a certificate to take to the DMV showing it had passed the inspection. I would assume that the process for a conversion to RV title is similar.

That bike was a ton of fun but I had to sell it because I was getting too many tickets.
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Pretty much the same in all states, 4 of 6 requirements met. Little bit tighter there than elsewhere.
OREGON:

$30 bunk-bed frame thrown in back with single twin matress, not bolted down.
Coleman stove bolted to a wire-frame shelf, tied to the wall.
Then no inspection.
Now I'm a "motor-home"
Afterwards, my S.F. insurance dropped to like $70 every two years. I even called to ask if there was an "additional" $70, or if it was the new bill. double
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OREGON:

$30 bunk-bed frame thrown in back with single twin matress, not bolted down.
Coleman stove bolted to a wire-frame shelf, tied to the wall.
Then no inspection.
Now I'm a "motor-home"
Afterwards, my S.F. insurance dropped to like $70 every two years. I even called to ask if there was an "additional" $70, or if it was the new bill. double
Did those meet the requirements, or what you got away with because no one at DMV wants to do their job?
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conversion requirments

buy an old truck camper and take all those things out of it
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to the OP, I have just recently finished my registration of a bus conversion in MO and would be glad to help answer any questions.

The highway patrol was excellent to me, not at all nit picky about the rv components that i had in there (I was actually disappointed they didn't check it out more.).

The DOR on the other hand was a mess and it took a long long time to get paperwork figured out.
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OREGON:

$30 bunk-bed frame thrown in back with single twin matress, not bolted down.
Coleman stove bolted to a wire-frame shelf, tied to the wall.
Then no inspection.
Now I'm a "motor-home"
Afterwards, my S.F. insurance dropped to like $70 every two years. I even called to ask if there was an "additional" $70, or if it was the new bill. double

I just went to DMV in Oregon and told them I bought a bus and installed the required items. https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Forms/DMV/465.pdf

To qualify for motor home registration, the vehicle must be designed, reconstructed, or
permanently altered to provide facilities for human habitation (permanent sleeping and cooking
facilities). No inspection needed, handed to me right on the spot.
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buy an old truck camper and take all those things out of it

That is what I did. bought a water damaged camper and salvaged tons of parts for my build (you can see pics of it and all the parts in my build thread in my signature below!)
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