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07-14-2021, 06:44 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 342
Coachwork: Busless for now
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Strange goings on in Kentucky
I saw this a week or so ago behind my local produce market. A medium sized Thomas bus on a Freightliner chassis. It appeared to have an air mattress on the floor in the back and no other modifications. Even looked like most of the seats were still in place. ODD THING WAS THE LICENSE PLATE. 10,000 LB. Same as my half ton pickup. 
"How did they do this?", you may axe yourself. I am perplexed myself.
Anybody have any answers?
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07-14-2021, 06:50 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Athens, TN
Posts: 1,574
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International RE
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 76
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Eh? That's certainly weird.
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07-14-2021, 06:55 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 342
Coachwork: Busless for now
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You gotta remember that we are in hillbilly-land, home of McConnel & Paul.... 
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07-14-2021, 06:58 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Athens, TN
Posts: 1,574
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International RE
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 76
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Guessing the license plate is from another vehicle.
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07-14-2021, 07:00 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 342
Coachwork: Busless for now
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Could be. I'm debating whether I should inquire next time I go to buy fresh maters. The bus was still there yesterday when I did a drive-by.
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07-14-2021, 08:10 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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In PA, it seems you can just retitle a school bus as anything you like by mailing in a PennDOT title change form. Some people have done this to change to a motorhome, others have changed their bus to a station wagon. There appears to be no process for checking on the validity of such changes, which means they're probably valid until you get a ticket or in an accident and then you have big problems. Perhaps KY is the same.
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07-14-2021, 08:16 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 342
Coachwork: Busless for now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Perhaps KY is the same.
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Could very well be. The state has several different GVWR based plates. 10,000 is the lightest.
But I have not been able to find any info on the state transportation cabinet site, or on this wonderful forum.
And I know Mitch & Rand won't take my call...
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07-15-2021, 03:00 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Sime jurisdictions you can just lower your GVWR
basically a promise to not exceed that
but big fines, and insurance won't cover if you do
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07-15-2021, 09:54 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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Put a note on the bus to call you and ask them.
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07-15-2021, 10:34 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 819
Year: 1993
Chassis: IH 3800
Engine: DT360
Rated Cap: 66
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Or.... they took the plate off their truck and put it on the bus to get it home. People do that stuff all the time in my area... they don't register them... put insurance on them and swap plates. Big issue if you get caught.
KY dot is pretty strict on things so it would be odd for them to retitle a bus as a truck with a plate weight well under the empty weight of the bus.
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07-15-2021, 10:51 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,707
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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Is it over 10k lbs though? A stripped bus with nothing more then an air mattress would likely be close to that.
I'm not from KY. But if I were to guess, I'd say the 10k tag is likely cheaper to register, and the state gives a person the option to change it to what they want it to be. So, as long as they're never caught being over 10k, they'd likely never have problems.
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07-15-2021, 11:06 AM
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#12
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah45828
Is it over 10k lbs though? A stripped bus with nothing more then an air mattress would likely be close to that.
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My 11-window was 16,246 pounds stripped. I don't think an 8-window would be less than 2/3 of that.
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07-15-2021, 11:10 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
My 11-window was 16,246 pounds stripped. I don't think an 8-window would be less than 2/3 of that.
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No weigh that bus is under 10k.
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07-15-2021, 11:15 AM
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#14
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 342
Coachwork: Busless for now
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I agree. My 2013 2 wheel drive extended cab Silverado is 5,000 lb. or so dry. I know that bus is more than twice as heavy. 
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07-15-2021, 11:52 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
No weigh that bus is under 10k.
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Ha ha, I first read this as "no need to weigh, that bus is under 10k"!
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07-15-2021, 11:53 AM
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#16
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Ha ha, I first read this as "no need to weigh, that bus is under 10k"!
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LOL Naw its weigh over.
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07-15-2021, 11:55 AM
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#17
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
LOL Naw its weigh over.
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Why I oughta pound you!
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07-21-2021, 04:30 PM
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#18
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Golden Valley AZ
Posts: 1,036
Year: 1993
Chassis: ThomasBuilt 30'
Engine: need someone to tell me
Rated Cap: me + 1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Why I oughta pound you!
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I think that you are all weigh off.
Its still an operational schoolbus and the driver is taking naps while weighting around to pick up the kids.
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07-21-2021, 04:40 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Freedom Field, New Mexico
Posts: 459
Year: 1998
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtrans
Engine: 444E
Rated Cap: 84 pas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
Why I oughta pound you!
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Pins on pound?
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07-21-2021, 09:08 PM
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#20
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Almost There
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Davis ca
Posts: 96
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Bluebird 35 shuttle cng
Engine: John deere
Rated Cap: 36
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I have a gas engine f700 flatbed 20 foot that weighs 11,000 empty. Even an empty bus shell that has to weigh over 13,000. Not even close to 10k.
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